I got in on this topic late, but I see the frustrations and have witnessed them myself. My son is in a pack that doesn't offer immediate recognition. The pack meetings are just fun events, there are no advancement ceremonies, color guards, etc. The excuse it that those things aren't fun. As far as the den goes, I don't see how we are going to make much advancement progress until spring, after B&G. Even the crafts we do aren't in the book.