gilski

Wise points all of them personally I will need to work harder. You see I learned from what I witnessed helping at Summer camp etc. I have never seen boys individually tested on first aid for canoing, rowing, smallboat sailing, etc. But always in a group setting with questions and answers and never with a CPR device. Good points Beavah thank you.

I failed to finish the line in my previous post A short review Do I have a CPR practice dummy NO! What I do have, 36 years in boating and amateur competitive water skiing. I havent missed a summer camp in years. If a kid has not performed the BSA swim test I test him right then in my ski lake. We have come a long way from hiking, backpaking, and Citz in the nation. The point of it all when a troop feels its necessarry to add stipulations, requirements and conditions that may or may not impact BSA policy I feel it is necessary to reserch it further. It would be much simpler if our commitee members would actually do their homework before implementing policy.

If he is an 11 year old working on all of the merit badges listed at the same summer camp then quite possibly they should. In this communication for my part I was addressing MBs that are being worked on congruently. But even at that do you have every boy in water sports, motor boating, white water, etc. complete first aid requirements or a short 1. Show that you know first aid for injuries or illnesses that could occur while participating in water sports, including hypothermia, heat exhaustion, heatstroke, dehydration, sunburn, minor cuts and blisters. 2. Do the following: A. Identify the conditions that must exist before performing CPR on a person. Explain how such conditions are recognized. B. Demonstrate proper technique for performing CPR using a training device approved by your counselor. 3. Before doing the following requirements, successfully complete the BSA swimmer test. I teach Motor Boating and Water sports on the same weekend at my home if the boys have first aid, and have passed the swimmers test we dont repeat these even once let alone twice.

An a unit instituting a "No Double Dipping" policy on MB's is absurd since the unit has nothing to do with the requirements for MB's! That is why I posted in the first place. I feel the hiking has merit in the writing (I may be wrong but would rather err to the right of the issue). I gave example earlier of communications and citizenship on the Nations that is foolish to me. I struggled with our troop rules a couple of years ago. They tried to institute a Life project on the same order as a mini Eagle project. I was able to get that voted down in committee with the help of this forum. I struggle now with the boys Star and higher not allowed to sign off rank requirements of younger scouts without redoing the requirement in front of an ASM to get his initials beside theirs. It was abused by a couple of boys once so the whole idea gets thrown out. We have a lot of parental involvement which is good but it seems we haven't dropped the den mother principals. Sorry for the long dissertation but I keep hitting my head against the wall on certain issues. A lot of times I jump too far in the boys favor I know. I guess my biggest problem these rules or policy's are never discussed in the PLC with SPL, ASPL, PL included.

Here is the statement in the requirements. The hikes in requirements 5 and 6 can be used in fulfilling Second Class Rank (2a) and First Class Rank (3) rank requirements, but only if Hiking merit badge requirements 1, 2, 3, and 4 have been completed to the satisfaction of your counselor. The hikes of requirements 5 and 6 cannot be used to fulfill requirements of other merit badges. He was able to join the boys working on second class 1a and 1b. He completed the 10 with an Eagle scout and his Dad yesterday. Thanks everyone, gilski

Evidently it is written and you guys are correct. Thanks for your help. RESOLVED

Thanks everyone I appreciate your responses.

Thanks Beavah, That's all I wanted to know.

Working and playing smart is not skating requirements. And I post here to get the wisdom of others. Still I ask is it written anywhere? Or is it another fine example of an adult led troop. By the by Saturday should be capitalized no skating on penmanship either.

Citizenship in the World Motor boating Water skiing Salesmanship

Well lets look at that example for Communication you have to make notes and give an objectivity report. For Citizenship in the Community you simply attend. Why not use both if you are actively signed up and working on them. Other than being inefficient what is the lesson? Is it BSA policy? If so I will bow-out if not I think it is totally illogical.

It really seems foolish to me especially when you are working on both at the same time. Is that written anywhere.

I posted this under OA by mistake Our troop has instituted a no double dipping policy for merit badges. We finished a Philmont trek this August and I was inquiring about utilizing the 10 mile portion for my sons hiking merit badge qualification. He did four 10 mile and one 20 mile hike in prep for Philmont. The final day of Philmont was an 11 mile switch back death march (at least for me). I was told these were used for the backpacking merit badge only or he could drop them from backpacking and use them toward hiking but not both. Any thoughts?

Our troop has instituted a no double dipping policy for merit badges. We finished a Philmont trek this August and I was inquiring about utilizing the 10 mile portion for my sons hiking merit badge qualification. He did four 10 mile and one 20 mile hike in prep for Philmont. The final day of Philmont was an 11 mile switch back death march (at least for me). I was told these were used for the backpacking merit badge only or he could drop them from backpacking and use them toward hiking but not both. Any thoughts?

I see the point on the OA. The double dip rule for our troop has not been in the area of sevice hours we have always kept those seperate if you gain 12 hrs for one advancement that requires 6 thats great however the extra hours do not carry over. The double dipping rule has to do with things like if you go to a community meeting for Citz in the community it does not count fo communications. Even if you are currently working on both, you would have to go to another meeting for that.