GernBlansten

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In my personal kit, I carry a plethora of OTC and prescription goodies. 4 types of analgesics (aspirin, Tylenol, Vitamin I, naproxen sodium), antidiuretics, nausea concoctions, cold remedies, benadryl. Those are available to other adults, not the kiddos unless the parents are there. Ran out of Vitamin I at Philmont. On the prescription side, I carry some muscle relaxants I got when I threw my back out and some codeine from some previous dental work. Those are my private stash.

Chocolate is a cult.

Very good catch on the Eagle scout invented religions. Pastafarianism and Scientology. Never been a fan of Tom Cruise, although I have been very impressed with the later work of John Travolta. I'll stick with Pastafarianism for my redemption.

Could someone please reference the requirement to worship? I understand the Duty to God and Reverent. But neither require worship. Some faiths do, and I understand that, but in the realm of BSA requirements, where does it state you must worship the higher being?

I'm leaning more towards the teachings of the Church of FSM when looking for answers regarding our beginnings. Their correlation of global temperatures and the pirate population is uncanny.

Ok, So having gays and athiests doesn't make the program bad. I wonder what other programs could possibly adopt this strategy? Hmmmmmmmm.

Ed, is LFL a good program because they allow gays and athiests in their ranks or are they a good program despite allowing gays and athiests in their ranks?

Please keep in mind the context of the scenario. This is not a mild allergic reaction or a case of the sniffles. Or even a serious situation but not life threatening. In that case, yes I agree, don't administer drugs unless qualified. The scenerio I am refering to is a life and death decision where the victim has just minutes to survive. One where if you don't act, he WILL die. I just can't imagine how you could live with yourself knowing you allowed someone to die and didn't do everything possible to save them.

After the victim suffocates and his heart quits beating, can I then inject the EpiPen? Or does it take a coronor to declare death before we can play with alternative rescue methods?

So, we are to just stand there and watch the victim die whilst holding the very technology that just might save their life?

I'd take my chances in front of a jury of my peers. Hopefully, my first witness would be the family of the victim I attempted to save.

Scenario: You are hiking with a group in the wild, 4 hours from emergency response. You have WFA and a complete First Aid Kit. One of your party has a known allergy to bee stings and has a prescribed EpiPen. He has alerted all party members of his problem and his remedy. Another in your party, who has no history of the allergy, gets stung and goes anaphylaxis. You can identify it because of your training. He is going blue and will not survive without intervention. Your choices: 1) You send for help, using your own first aid kit to attempt to keep the air passage open. 2) You send for help, then administer the EpiPen from the other hiker on the victim. 3) You send for help, then stand back and quote chapter and verse on the regulations requiring the administration of prescribed drugs only by qualified medical professionals while taking comfort of complete liability protection because you religiously follow rules.

I just signed my son up for NYLT and the uniform list said bring two pair of BSA pants. When I bought his two pair, I got one that fit him now, and the next size up for when he grows out of them. I'll probably send him with both pants and he can just zip off the legs on the bigger ones. Or he'll do like most kids and just wear one pair all week.

For an organization that has labeled itself as a religious organization, it sure has a great deal of difficulty attempting to insert religion into its program.

I don't carry an Epipen, because I'm not prescribed one and can't get one. I do carry a Glucagon kit, not because I'm prescribed one, but because my son is. If in the wild, someone in my group is turning blue because their throat is swollen shut due to a bee sting, and someone has an Epipen, I will use it on them. Whether they were prescribed it or not. I wouldn't worry about lawyers. If I don't react they WILL die. If I do react, they might live. Likewise, if I come across an unconscious victim wearing a Diabetic medic alert, I'm giving him my Glucagon. Sue me.

War on Terror, War on Drugs, Vietnam War, Korean War, War on Christmas. None of these were acts of congress as defined in the US Constitution to qualify as a war.

Ever wonder why there is always controversy on Olympic Ice Skating results? American Idol? Iron Chef? Its because they are subjective, not objective. Same is true with Scout Spirit. No objective method to measure it. Purely subjective and most of us cannot agree on how to measure it or much less, what it is.

In our unit, 100% of direct contact leaders are 100% trained. However, council lost all the records so 0% are trained according to their records.

The real neat thing about Rogerts (Atikokan), is we took the seaplane option. The sea planes pick you up at the base with all your gear crammed inside and a couple of canoes strapped to the floats. You land in the wilderness, unload the plane in the middle of a lake, and bam, you start your adventure. You don't see a power boat, sea plane, or any sign of technology for 7-10 days. The last day, you start your path back to civilization, heading north, a few portages and suddenly you are paddling through lakes with houses and houseboats. Fisherman in power boats. Seems so foreign. Then to the waiting school bus for transport back to base. Highly recommend it.

On another note, I don't think they allow float planes in Sommers. You have the option for insertion into the wilderness by float plane from Atikokan for an additional fee. We did this, and it was a pretty cool experience. At Bissett, its not optional, but required, both insertion and extraction. Kinda defines the degree of wilderness each camp supports.

Lisa, I have no experience with Sommers, but 2 years ago we did Atikokan. Its purely a high adventure base, in existence only to support treks into Quetico Provincial Park and the Crown lands. No summer camps for younger scouts. In 2009 we secured four crews to Bissett. Our guide in Atikokan told us Bissett is much like Atikokan, only better.

Ed, did it occur to you that the rest of us may not feel your argument worthy of a response? Ok, I'll take the bait. Yes Ed, they can pray. Morning, noon and night. Before, during and after class. They have never been restricted from it. Personal prayer is your right. What they can't do is lead a prayer with the students in a public school setting. What they can't do is give religious instruction to the students in a public school setting. What they can't do is use their power over the children to promote any religious beliefs. If you know of a case that a teacher was restricted from personal prayer, cite it.

Ed, do you see a problem with a teacher asking, "Tommy, would you please stand and tell the class what faith you are?" Is that their 1st Amendment right?

Its not a violation of the 1st amendment if an auto parts store owner restricts his clerk from asking every customer if they found Jesus. The clerk can ask anyone on their own time, but not on the clock if the employer doesn't want it. Same goes for the school teacher.