gene loy

Bob wrote: RE: Organizational Chart Posted: Tuesday, September 16, 2003: 6:07:18 AM Gene, look at page 11 of the Troop Committee Guidebook, Then read pages 13 through 18. Bob White Dear Bob White, after review of the information you suggested..... I feel much better.... Much better in regards to the fact that I did not miss anything when I looked through the guide book, before I wrote for help! Ok... All kidding aside... Bob, I need you to know I respect you. I respect you for a few reasons. You are a complete stranger to me and yet you are willing to help me. I also respect you for your dedication to this forum. I am not sure after reviewing most of your posts and replies where you stand with God, but I am encouraged by the very careful way you word things so not to offend anyone in scouting. I truly have a lot to learn. I also respect you for another reason. When I was young my father and my grandfather taught me the value of waking earlier. The accomplished in life often are up before everyone else and attending the needs of the family. I see your response to me at 6am as family and value and it means allot to me. I respect this attribute that I see in you. Bob I am at a very serious crossroads of my life. For the past 5 years I have dedicated myself to spending as much time with my son as humanly possible. Scouting has given me opportunities to spend with my son that I could have never imagined. My son and I prayed for a troop that he and I could grow with. What a journey it has been. The troop we joined was located in one of the largest churches in the world and is known around the world. We are not members of the church yet we have a love for all that help us there. The troop was started by others before me, started backwards from the troop up, without the church even truly knowing it. I was asking to be Scout Master 3 years ago and when asked, I truly wanted to run for the hills. I went out and found a stable troop close by and tried every trick in the book to get my son to run with me to it. Dad, he said I want to stay here where my friends are and at a place I feel comfortable. With my goal in mind of spending time with my son I dedicated myself to a task / ministry so big I would have never imagined. I realized if the troop was to succeed it must be aligned correctly with the Charter Organization. I met with them and we were given direction. Fix the problems first and then we will talk. So we did. With the help of some very special people and the grace and wisdom of God we trained our leaders and separated ourselves from those who could not or would not follow the direction we were given. The bylaws created for the moment served us well but as I can now see they may need to be put aside for a reminder of where not to go. Recently the troop was acknowledged by our Charter Organization on television around the world during a service project that was a huge success. The troop was just recently given the funds to support a large troop for many years to come. We also just had a Eagle Court of Honor for my son and three other boys at the church that was unbelievable. Bob, I can safely say very few in life have ever heard of, let alone seen an Eagle Court of Honor like this one. I can not tell you how grateful I am to God and everyone that was involved for the gift that I received in being part of such a perfect ceremony. Bob, on Friday 9-19-03 the troop will either start fresh and new from the top down or the troop will fold. The ultimate goal was to establish a troop with a firm foundation that would last for years to come at a location that has the opportunity to share scouting around the world on a weekly basis. In the process of creating a firm foundation we unfortunately lost some that were unhappy with the troop. However they have moved to another troop so the boys are being taken care of. Those that were unhappy are still unhappy and so life moves on. We have 5 boys left in the troop and in the process of reorganization we have found the leadership divided, the charter organization representative overwhelmed, a brand new DE that is confused and me with a dream that somehow someway its all going to work out. I need a miracle. I have been told that I am a very patient person. But, Bob I want my miracle now! Where do you and others fit in. hmmm I am not sure I am not sure because I keep asking for a chart that would be so simple for those around me to see that we are missing something and yet no one has one. Its not beyond me to say I am making a mistake in what I am asking for. I know I am asking for the wrong thing by all the responses I received to my original post. How do I help the COR and my ASM to realize there is help, guidance and wisdom out there for us. In looking for answers I have found BSA truly does have a method in place that promises success if we will just follow it. Your truly Gene Loy

Now if someone could only find a BSA Organizational Chart that shows COR,CC,SM,ASM as they relate to one another and the committee. All the words in all the books and all the statements made in all the web sites say many things. Saying it one more way is not what I am looking for.

Our troop by-laws show that the troop committee and the SM both report to the Committee Chair. The Committee Chair is the contact between the troop and the COR. After hours of searching the web I see this issue to be a grey one with no answer.... Is there and absolute answer in the reporting relationship? Unfortuatly the group that created our bylaws is no longer around to ask what reference was used. I have found this method of orginization and reporting to be sound in having one voice and one contact with the COR. There are exceptions to the Committee Chair being the only contact with the COR, However the Chairman has always been the person to promote the exception. thanks for your thoughts, SM, Troop 66 GG,CA

My troop went white water rafting for the first time in August on the Mckenzie River in Blue River OR. For a first time experience I must say the trip was perfect in all ways. The place is beautiful! The rafting company was easy to work with and the guide was attentive to everyones needs, to get wet and to those who wished to stay dry!