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One of our parents wants to be an assistant leader. However, he did a stint in a Mental Health facility when his wife took off with the kids 3 years ago, and then did a week in the county jail for nonpayment of child support. Now, depite how this all sounds he really is a great dad and would be a huge asset on camping trips. What I'm looking for is to find out if he should even bother to put in an application? Would his 'past' make him ineligible?

One of the leaders is contacting the charter org rep today, I will relay all of that to her. Problem is, our CO isn't very involved, and honestly up until this year we never HAD a CO rep. This year we got one of the parents (who is in both orgs) to do it, but she stopped showing up apparently because she'd had some problems early on about the CC. Oh, and the CC WAS a member of the CO at one point, but "was asked to leave". Should we notify council? and what would we tell them if we did? And I'm pretty sure we can't stop her from attending things as a parent, i'm just worried about her behavior when she does attend. She's not exactly the type to go quietly into the night, KWIM?

A while back i'd posted for advice on how to deal with a controlling CC who was pushing people out of the pack. I followed the advice, she calmed down somewhat and we minimized pack evens that she would have contact with our parents and kids. And some of the other leaders are so fed up that the decision was all but made to split off and form a new pack in June. Well, tonight this CC went absolutly Exorcist on us. She started screaming and cursing and throwing things. She accused the other leaders of plotting against her, and called a leader several choice names, dropping the F-bomb several times. She accused us of undermining her, of talking about her behind her back. She really was way over the top- I honestly haven't seen an adult act that way since my ex husband, lol, and certainly NEVER an adult in the presence of aquaintances. Oh, did I mention there was a parent their WITH HIS CUB SCOUT to help out with an upcoming trip? Ultimatly, she quit and informed her husband (the CM) that he was quitting too. So now we need to fill those roles. Not a problem, because the ACM has been doing most of it all anyway. And I'm not worried that she'll take any of the pack if she decides to leave, although her sole supporter is the Bear leader and would be sorely missed. My concern is that she has promised that "oh, I'm coming to the Cub-o-ree. But don't ask ME to do an Fing thing." I fully expect her to cause some trouble with the other parents in the organization, but what in the world are we going to do if she looses it at the district wide Cub-o-ree? What about if she starts ordering people around like noting happened? (FYI, she's caused some trouble at baseball by disciplining children she didn't know). what can we do to keep her from making a scene?

As the treasurer for our pack, our budget includes: -one big ON trip (zoo sleepover, ect) -all campouts -all awards (but only once- IE ONE fishing BL, not one per year) -recruiting supplies -B-n-G -pack meeting stuff (fees, materials, ect) -rechartering -Boy's Life -and basically anything pack related. Now, we only pay for the Cub for trips, B-n-G, extra stuff, parents and siblings pay thier own way (ex: we figure out the cost pp. for a campout and do chagre non-scouts that price). And we often do more than one expensive trip, but only the one following the popcorn sale is paid for (as an incentive to sell- sometimes parents need immediate gratification too). We raise money thru registration fees ($40), popcorn, and when we start running low we throw in another fundraiser to bulk up the coffer. And dens do thier own fundraising too, for thier 'special' trips.

our boys loved this the few times we've done it. We have a team of 2-3 boys build a car- and so far we've had enough wheels and axles, ect. from past cars that the cost has really been minimal. We did it with both seat belt and without- you can cut actual belts out of old junkyard cars. But they honestly seemed to make spills worse- the kid falls off and the car falls on top of him. if it's a gentle enough slope they won't get up enough speed to get hurt from falling off anyway. We also tried the launch ramp and a push start- the kids got some serious speed using the ramp (we only did THAT once, lol). Since the cars were built in a team, the teammate did the pushing and they rotated. That worked a lot better! The blocks to restrict the front axle's turning radius were great- and make sure they are an inch or closer- you really don't want them to be able to turn at all. Oh, and station a few dads at the bottom of the hill. Those little breaks only slow the car so much!

i agree that much of cubbing is "artsy-craftsy". When we moved up into Webelos, we really tried to get away from that... and the boys were thrilled to be building rockets and catapaults instead of sock puppets. If the kids are burnt out by the time they get to boy scouts, then the Webelos need to rethink thier programs. we kept 'em active and busy (most boys in the past 2 years earned thier 20er award), and they are now all enthusiastic boy scouts. i'd reccommend getting away from the sit-at-the-table den meetings. get out and go someplace. Instead of the DL doing readyman, visit a fire station. For the Drama requirements, see if the boys can help out with the HS play set up. make it fun, they will stay interested.

how about if you allow ALL the boys to cross over the bridge, and have the appropriate boys go to the troop, and then the boys not continuing on go to thier parents as a kind of "crossing over into 'manhood'" ceremony? yes, i totally agree that the crossing over ceremony SHOULD only be for the boys who actually are, but at this point you just need to get thru this year without arguements and 'fix' the situation next year. I would explain every meeting until the B-n-G what is going to happen- that the boys crossing over into boy scouts will go across the bridge first, then the rest. make sure they (and the parents, wherin most of your trouble lies) understand that they will NOT be greeted by the troop- that thier parents will have thier one epaulet waiting for them, ect. And at your next comittee mtg start the wheels turning for changes to be made next year!

I wasn't actually suggesting you go off in the woods alone with a kid; you can very easily give some 1:1 sitting around a campfire, or while on a hike. I guess I should clarify for the literal-minded among us! Spend some time talking to the boy, asking him how he's doing, take a personal interest in his life. *ahem* within site of others, of course. The G2SS is, by definition, a GUIDE. It doesn't mention anything about going above and beyond when you know a kid is having trouble at home, but I personally am in this to help kids, not shut them out. Besides, if dad has an RO against him and you allow him to be around his child KNOWING you shouldn't, you could very well find yourself up a creek, KWIM? It's much better to be safe than sorry. ScoutLdr is right that it's NOT "our job" to find out what's really happening to this kid, but if you want to help him maybe you could do a little bit more than what you have to do. Whether mom's allegations are true or not, the kid needs as many friends as he can get right now. And I really fail to see how finding out the truth to best to keep a kid safe is going to "make things worse for him", but maybe I'm just missing something!

good grief, I wouldn't make it thru 4 1/2 hours, never mind the boys! Re: the tigers: if you can, step up and take over the den NOW. maybe a phone call to the official leader and ask if she needs help, or ask if she wants to "let you know" next time she can't make a meeting, and you will run it, or point blank ask her if you can take over. Do you know if the other Tiger parents are planning on attending the b-n-g? if none of them have older siblings and HAVE to go,maybe it wold be better to just skip it? I can't imagine making 6 year olds sit there for that long (jeez, they don't sit for that long in one shot at school!!!), let alone having them sit while everyone else gets awards and they don't! If you step up ASAP, then you will be able to have a special ceremony at a pack meeting when they are ready. Just my opinion!

I'm gonna wear a couple different hats right now... as a divorcee- before you do ANYthing regarding this father, get confirmation. Divorces can get reeeeal ugly. Check. As a mom- do NOT let this father alone with ANY boy, including his own. Even in sight but out of earshot. Just because scouting hasn't caught up with him doesn't mean he isn't under a restraining order from his own kid, which he would be if he is even under investigation. As a social worker- at any rate, this kid is going thru hell, phisically abused or not, there is some serious emotional stuff going on. Be there, listen to him, give him lots of 1:1 time. finally, Mom WILL have paperwork with SOMEthing to back up what she says, ask for it. there should be a restraining order if there is documented abuse, I'm sure mom will be happy to give it too you if it means keeping her kid safe. the police station might be able to help you too, although i don't know what kind of info they could give you- take a copy of the application with his info. Your council could also hopefully expidite the background check, or run it again. But definatly get some sort of proof before you jump in the middle of a nasty divorce.

thanks for some awesome ideas! I will run a few of 'em by the committee tonight, but we definalty now will have something to work with.

thanks for the great ideas! i really like the bridge 'challenge'- maybe we could 'challenge' each boy as they go across with some tenent of the scout law? I like the plaque idea, too...

We want to give the boys certificates and gold arrows (If I can find cheap arrows to spray paint). But having seen this exactly once before, I'm kinda flying blind. How have you all made the ceremony special? What have you given the boys that's worthy of displaying next to all dad's sports trophies? Is the AOl ceremony seperate, or presented to each boy after the rest of his awards?

ok, so you all think that it won't take too long to do the crossing over? I've only ever seen it once (last year), and the troop was new so maybe the boys just didn't have that much experience? It could be a disaster if we designate an hour and it only takes 20 mintues! I do like the idea of wrapping up awards as presents. And I REALLY like the idea or putting Bios in the 'program'- how much cooler can THAT get for an 11 year old, lol?

I honestly don't think you NEED too actively 'pitch' your troop- have a table/display set up advertizing 'what you can do as a boy scout', which obviously has all the activities that your troop has done, lol. And put your boys and your signs right out there for everyone to see- they will get the hint. have your most outgoing boys 'socialize' with the parents, too- THAT will really impress 'em!

Two of us are not that 'into' doing a theme for the b-n-g. Leader 3 is totally gung-ho about it. Now, we have 10 boys crossing over into 2 troops, and will hopefully all be getting the AOL. 10 boys x 5 minutes each doesn't give us much extra time for extra stuff, what with dinner and all the other dens moving up too. Would it be totally out of the ordinary to NOT have a theme?

Honestly, if you are Ok with having these boys at your meetings without parental involvement, and aren't feeling resentful about having to do the driving, then keep on doing what you are doing, it really is helping out those kids. BUT I have totally seen DL's be taken advantage of. I'd set ground rules- like the 'rents have to come if you are going out of state or on an ON... carpoolers split gas prices... stuff that can only make your life easier and the attentive parent will have no problem with!

I am proud to say that 4 of our Webelos will have earned the 20er award by out bridging in february! #5 is bummed, but he flat out refuses to do some of the aquanaut requirements, #6 hasn't done anything at home. Sorry, but if the requirment says "discuss with family member", there's not much we can do there. Personally, I think that if anything working on each and every aspect of the webelos program has really benefitted the boys. I mean, how do you 'choose' which badges to skip? Each badge is designed to teach the boys something (ok, while I don't really understand the point of some of it, lol). The things they've learned from boy scouts, from the 'specialists' we've had come out to see us, and from trips we've taken will hopefully make them better all around productive members of society, not just 'get them thru' the Webelos program. All this stuff is availible for us to do, and the webelos book is packed with stuff geared toward 10/11 year old boys. If as leaders we offer them exciting, fun activities, they will jump into it with both feet. We are still kinda cool at this age, might as well make the best of it and help 'em along the path to becoming decent human beings. I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why NOT try to get all 20- they are right there for us! Isn't that kinda like telling a boy scout that he only HAS to work on the eagle merit badges, so why try to earn more of them?

My darling little scout was dicsussing movies with his friends. They shared thier most watched videos... and my Man Cub says "well, my mom has all the grownup movies in the bedroom, and I'm not allowed to watch them." I found out after the fact... and I'm not sure anyone believes me that the 'grownup movies' are along the lines of 'Die hard', 'Armageddon', and anything that will give him nightmares.

Just my 2 cents... We had a creepy, never had kids but used to be a boy scout. We took Creepy out of a direct service position with the little ones and found a postion on the committee more suitible just because this person was making the parents uncomfortable. Were they right? who knows, but bottom line they were uncomfortable with this person being in direct contact with thier boys. Creepy has no record or history or anything of anything involving children (but there are other things), but parents just didn't like this person touching tier children. ultimatly we are each responsible for our own childrens' safty, and we make judgement calls based on what WE think. the guy next door makes his calls the same way, and even though we may think he's racist/sexist/biased/wrong, that's how he makes his decisions. But IMO, I would LOVE to have some decent guys-with-no-cubs involved in our pack, you can never have to much positive male role modeling!

I found duties listed for all the major positions, but I have a few more questions I was hoping you all could help me with! Is it stated somewhere that certain positions in the pack cannot hold more than that position? we have extra positions for Training chair and Fundraiser chair- anyone have these positions and can give me a rundown of thier duties? Is there anything you all added to the duties listed on the BSA website? http://www.scouting.org/cubscouts/aboutcubscouts/thepack/pcomm.aspx And for that matter, does anyone know if all that is even right/current?

ok, so maybe the ski weekend thing isn't a good draw... the den before us did it and the kids had a blast (a hotel vacation with thier friends, what could be better, lol)... but I'm thinking we simply won't have and TIME to go away for a weekend. We could certainly justify using it for the B&G... and THAT is a pack activity so it DOES benefit the whole pack. So echincally if we open it up to participation by the other den, we are covered, right? And thanx for the reminder about the fundraiser app, I'm new at this whole paperwork thing and would have forgotten it.

My Webelos are looking to raise money for a 'fancy' Crossing over/B&G ceremony, and maybe a possible skiing trip. We have 10 Web 2's and 5 web 1's to work with. What fundraisers have you all found to be successful? We did a t-shirt/tchatchka catalogue with mediocre results. We were thinking of making-n-selling either Christmas wreathes or baked goods; has that worked for any of you guys in the past, and do you have any tips? Most of our parents are burnt out on flyer fundraisers (our kids all sell popcorn AND for school/soccer/baseball/ect), so I'm hesitant to give them another one.

I've been to two scout-run haunted trails, and personally thought both of 'em were great! Apparently there WAS a problem with one of the troops getting a little too close to the walkers (thru the haunted woods), but I did not see it. And honestly, I will never understand the parents that force thier kids to do something because mom or dad think they should be ready for it... sorry, off topic... I WOULD recommend advertizing a 'less scary' ride, for the little ones getting thier feet wet, maybe at dusk, or at night but with less scary ghouls. Seems like Halloween events are all either Casper-the-friendly-Ghost or Dracula-n-chainsaws, and there is nothing in between for the not-quite-ready kids. Although maybe have a not so scary guide who is willing to shuttle off any kid and parent that turns out not to be ready after all! Or remind the boys that if a kid is obviously scared, or hanging back from the crowd, or latched onto his adult, then maybe leave them alone.

I'm thinking that your council may want to REEEEALLY reconsider that name. 5yo's might not think much of it, but thier 8/9/10 y.o. brothers will! Our council has just started a Lions program... also called K Kubs. Not sure which is the 'official' term, but those are the only one's we've heard.