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The only reason I think that the jerseys are made up nice is to show off, really. Sure .... a simple screened jersey would work fine, but lets intimidate the other team. If 4,000 people are coming to watch us play, we might as make the jersey that helps us win look nice. Nascar might work the same way. The drivers could probably actually go faster without the paint all over their cars weighing them down. All of the drivers could drive with a metal finish and do just as well. If you need the body of the car to race, why not make it look nice while at it?

*Puts on Math Jacket* We concluded earlier that in 120,000 of player hours of football, one person threw up. This means that one single person, in relation to odds, would have to play about 34000 football games to have a 100% probability of throwing up during the game. If we do the same thing to calculate your probability of throwing a winning TD, we assume you have a 1/30 probability of being the starting QB. A Starting QB, on average, leads two game winning drives or comebacks a year out of 16 games in the NFL. As those are the only GW Drive stats available we have to use those for all levels. So, a QBs' probability of throwing a winning TD in a game is 12.5%. This, on average, states that any person on the football team has a 100% probability to throw the winning TD every 480 Games (Using the assumption that 50% of winning TDs are Runs 50% are passes). So, statistics say that you should throw 70 winning TD passes for every time you throw up on the field. Also, I either don't have time to read all the pages. That is why I use the search command. However, I don't need to do that, as I have seen the situation IRL personally. A guy was sprinting down the sidelines and got horsecollared by our safety. (Yes, i know that it is illegal). When he landed he came down OOB along the sideline. The game did not stop for him, even though the medical staff were with him for 3 or 4 minutes before he got up.

Well, here is the basic rulebook for my state football. It basically lists what has been changed from the NCAA rules, which are used. Changes basically are (Gametime is 48 minutes instead of 60) (OOB KOs are taken at 35 not 40) etc. http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/manuals/football/pg12_21_rule_changes.pdf Page 74 of the NCAA rules states thus "Injury Timeout ARTICLE 5. a. In the event of an injured player(s): 1. The referee may charge himself a timeout provided the player(s) for whom the timeout is taken is removed from the game for at least one down." http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Football_Rulesadc982b5-03fb-4e27-828c-c2d26b95e6c1.pdf Again, players who get injured off field are not given on field injury timeouts. Their being injured off field has no impact on the game continuing whatsoever, so there is no need to stop the clock. And also, please read the whole sentence of what I said... I said that you probably wouldn't have been throwing up on the sideline, but you also probably wouldn't have been throwing the winning TD in a state title game, would you? And if we do blind statistics on the measure, (let me put on my math jacket) I have been in at least 40 FB games, and probably see 60 pro football games a year, and probably 25 college game sa year. I remember that I have never seen anyone throw up on the sideline in the past 5 years, which means I have seen no one throw up in 475 games, personally. BUT, lets throw in the game that someone did throw up in. 1 Player throws up in 476 games. Now, we average the # of people on each team, and about 30 people travel for HS, and about 50 travel for college/pro. Let us just assume that 44 people traveled with teams average. SO 88 players in 476 games = 41888 players I have seen in games. I have heard about one in 41888 throwing up. This is equal to about 130,000 player hours I have seen. I certainly agree that YOU probably would not be the one throwing up in the game. All for one throw up. ACTUALLY, the odds of you throwing the winning TD are greater, and we know how long those are.(This message has been edited by f_cbb)

"I would only wear it to impress someone that would be impressed" Yes, but I was reffering to the impressing of arbitrary judges. If wearing a suit for speaking events will give me a better chance of winning than not, I will do it. Obviously it impress them or something. However, in a nonarbitrary sport, such as football, I don't need to impress the refs. My uniform there is for my safety and gives me better performance. Of course I could not wear any color jersey, silly. I hope you didn't actually believe that. Coach would send me home and make me run hills if I tried to wear a wrong jersey. However, let us look at the logic behind WHY teams wear the same jersey. Recognition. THE QB needs to be able to find one of the 5 WRS out of 22 people in under 3 seconds and throw a perfect ball. He doesn't have time to remember what everyone is wearing. That is WHY teams wear the same jersey. Scouts, however, there is no situation in which that occurs. Scout leaders do not need to be able to pick out 5 of their scouts in under three seconds and give something to one of them. Our scoutmaster is lucky if he doesn't call someone by the wrong name talking to them face to face. And I did mess up with the 3000 in/sec. I blame that mess up on the fact that I was not wearing my math uniform, as my math uniform would have made me get that right. However, if you read my whole post, you would have saw I also put 350 in/sec somewhere else. I know it is work for you, and I apoligize for not wearing my math jacket, but people generally assume, when two different measuers are given for the same thing, they generally take the most reasonable one. This pointing out of mistakes does not nullify my point at all. Again, I am sorry as I was not wearing my math jersey when I did that. And just FYI, I do not call my GF. I TEXT her. Which basically means that I send her a message, kinda like on this forum, but it arrives on her phone. She can send me messages the same way, too. While I was typing this response I sent out two txts to people. I even texted my GF and told her about you . Wednesday night really isn't a popular one for going out ya know.... if you ever did. And I agree I have been talking to some dorky middle aged men here. And if you admit that, please do not try to argue football rules with me. [sarcasm]Also, you are giving me a favorable impression of scout leaders who want me to wear uniforms. Personalyl attack me and my gf, my knowledge of football, and laugh at my mistakes, even though they see I corrected it later on in the post[/sarcasm] And then people wonder why scouting participation is declining. Your answer.

They do not stop for a hurt player on the sidline lol. That is where they take the player on the field who has a cramp. http://www.nflteamhistory.com/nfl_rules/two_minute_warning.html And you can look at this link for NFL rules on injry time outs in the final two minutes. Numba 2 on the list basically agrees with what I said. They take a TO in the final two minutes for injury if you have one, Will give you one if you have NO TOs left. The only thing that is not on there is that the player has to sit out a play if he was injured and they stopped the game for him. A certified offical is gonna agree with me. When was the last time you played organized football with refs? And you probably wouldn't have been throwing up on the sideline if you were in, But you probably wouldn't have been throwing the winning TD, either.

When the player is on the field that is true. But if someone is throwing up off the field, or has a cramp off the field, the game doesn't stop. And going back to your point about stopping the clock for injured players on the field, if they do that inside the LAST TWO MINUTES of any half, they will take a timeout away from the team with the injured player, if they have any. So.... even if the QB decided to be sick on the field, and didn't call a time out, one still would have been called. And if we accept what you say and IF THE OFFICIALS DID CALL AN INJURY TIMEOUT instaed of the QB calling it himself, he would not be allowed back in the game for the next play anyway. And 4 & 10 with the game on the line is not the time you want the backup in. The Quick thinking QB saved the game on so many levels by Getting off the field before he was sick. If he was sick on the field, he would automatically be banned from entering on the next play, causing the backup to have to go in Calling a T on the sidelines to prvent 4th and 15. He is a leader. Not to be rude or anythimg, but If I was on that team, I am very glad you were not the QB in that siutation.

Actually, I believe I said I wore a uniform 'suit' to impress people (aka arbitrary judges). One could say it makes me better at competitive speaking as it impresses the judge, and leans him to voting in my favor. I could have worn any color jersey ... If I wanted the all the fans in the stands to wonder WHY I did that. Also, When a QB has three seconds to take a snap and make three reads, and throw the ball, he doesn't have time to remember that there is one guy in a diff jersey. It is so we can find each other quickly in a game of inches. You can say that unis make the scouts IDable too, but a T with "Troop 123" on it is just as good for that. Also, does it matter if you can ID 5 Scouts in 2 seconds in a group of 22 people? Football is a game of inches .... in which the players are covering ground at up to 3000 inches a second. When the QB is 1" away from getting his arm swatted down while throwing, he doesn't have time to remember for a fraction of a second I am in a different uni. When you think that someone is running at you at 350 inches a second (4.5 40, my time) the time you save him from having to recognize someone in a different uni (2/10 of a second) is just enough to get the ball out an inch before the defender is in the way ( 1/350 of a second or .003 of a second (try to do that with a stopwatch)). That obivously is the difference between a last second TD and a winn or a loss. However, there is no loss in a service project in scouts. Everyone wins. Everyone performs the same, no matter what they wear. In a game that is won or lost by a single inch (4th & Goal with 3" to go), where the players travel at 350 inches every second, being able to find team mates in a split second is important. However, in scouts, does it matter if it takes you an extra 3 seconds to see them? If someone is in danger and needs immediate knowledge of something, you tell them, no matter if they are a scout or not. If it is not immediate, you can wait 4 seconds to find a scout. Again, in danger, you warn them, no matter what they belong to, or how they dress. And you set this up for the with the letter jacket. It does impress someone. The Girls. Ultimate win? Sorry, you just set that one up for me to respond like that. As that is the case, maybe if the BSA designed a lettermanesque scout jacket, instead of a uni, everyone would join up? Note to national: do that. LOL JK.(This message has been edited by f_cbb)

Everyone can be forced to be a leader, but not everyone is one. Leaders have energy surrounding them. Leaders can make you think anything is possible to achieve. Some high school QB was in a state title game a couple of years ago. He came from the houston tx area. He wasn't feeling well the whole game. It was the 4th quarter with 20 seconds left. His team was down by 5 points. On 3rd & 10 from 35 Yard to Score, he threw incomplete and was almost intercepted on. He then was gonna start to run a hurry up to confuse the defense, but before he could get the ball snapped, he ran to the sidelien and threw up. While he was throwing up, he still had the mind presence to hold up the T so the team didn't take a delay of game penalty. After throwing up, he took a drink, put his helmet back on, jogged out onto the field and threw the game winning TD. He is a true leader. Now back to our school, our starting QB during 2007, no one believed he could do anything, he had no huddle presence. As soon as we got behind, everyone expected us to lose. If we didn't score first, people would actually leave the stadium. This last year, 2008, a new QB. He was highly regarded because he could pump up the team. He just had energy the other guy didn't. With him, we never believed we were out of a game. Once we were down 27-7 with 12 remaining in the fourth, and we won 28-27. Why? coach just told him to score. told him to run the O himself. He is a leaader, taking the whole team on his shoulders and carrying them for 21 points in 12 minutes. Now, you can say the D was a big part of it, but who was pumping up the D? The Same QB that could sprint back and forth at full speed for 12 minutes still had the leader juice to move and be excited on the sideline and pump the D. He exerts confidence when he scrambles. You can see it in the eyes. You can probably see that the laeder expects to succeed in the lies of any leader. When he goes one on one with a defender, or even me for that matter, I expect them to miss. Maybe a leader just has to expect success to succeed and thats all leaders do? Now, lets talk about the QB's Brother again for another leadership quality. A freshman playing varsity with us. Many people believed it was favoritism that got him on the team, and didn't like him for that, and wanted their friends moved up from JV over him. We can also talk about the QBs comeback skills and never being out of a game here, too. Down by 6 3 minutes to go in the game 7-13 the score, the QB threw a perfect pass that his bro caught perfectly and made a defender miss and burned two more for the winning TD. A leader also needs to be able to believe that he can do it, even if half the people in the stands believes he shouldnt even be on the field. To me, being a leader on the Field, Well I play FS on D. To me being a leader is just doing my job and being proud of my team members. Just by doing my job and stuffing the LOS against the RB, or blowing up a screenout pass for a loss by reading the QBs eyes gives the team confidence. And thats what a leader does, builds others up to his level. After every play, I come back into the huddle clapping my hands, along with half of our D members. That, i beleive, gives our D unit a bigger bonus than most people could imagine. Something so simple doing so much. That is wht a laeder does. On O, playing a WR/RB to me is supporting whoever the ball goes to, even If i don't get it. Its supporting our QB (not that he needs any lol) no matter what he does. Remember above when i said we were down 27-7. That was cause he fumbled 4 times in the first half inside our own red zone. Being a leader is doign the small tasks that hurt you, but benefit the team. Being an undersized back/wr on varsity, blocking is something I don't like but I do it for the team. a 5'10" 155 lb RB is great in the open field, I can cut alot faster than anyone else, but if I am in a back in zone protection it hurts me every time, but I do it for the team. Zone protection is basically where the RB stays back by the QB in the shotgun and acts just like another lineman. There it is my job to Take down lineman who weight almost twice as much as me. They can hurt me, but I do it and take it for the team so they can succeed. A team player is a leader. A leader also sacrifices him self in other ways for the team. On onside kicks, guess who is the leadoff man for our team? If I get the ball on a onside, I will get it in the air, and will be plowed by 3 defenders as soon as I touch it. Thats dedication to the team. Also, WRs are possessive guys and always want the ball. As a leader at WR, you should always help the QB find the open man. don't be a ball hog. If you see the Z WR is getting open every time. Tell the QB to throw it to him. Don't keep it quite in the hope he will throw to you. A leader is just basically a team player who has an energy about him that provides others something to use to get better.

The whole purpose of my football gear seems quite simple ... without it I pose a safety hazard to myself and the other players. Plus, my Jersey, the actual "uniform" is 'stickied' to my pads which helps me break away from grabbing tackles. This uniform obviously will give me an advantage over someone not wearing one at gametime. As in, someone not wearing one would probably be leaving in the ambulance sometime in the first quarter. Also, someone wearing a loose t-shirt would be easily dragged down from a grabbing tackle while I wouldn't be as they cant grab my jersey as it is stickied. The uniform makes me better at my sport. The BSA uniform doesn't do that. If we call 'survival using wilderness skills' the BSA sport, there is no way the uniform helps. It does not magically light fires for me, it doesn't find me food or keep me from poison ivy. I could survive in the wilderness just as easy in my football gear, a t-shirt, underarmor, or anything else. How about service projects? That BSA uniform doesn't hammer the nails in for me, while my football gear allows me to hammer the ball with my helmet and force a fumble. There is obviously benefit there. Now, if the BSA uniform would make me a much better worker on service projects, I would see a benefit. I can accomplish the same amount of work no matter what I am wearing, so long as I have free range of movement. The organization the service project is for is not gonna worry about who is wearing a uni to work. They are just happy they are getting free work done. The scout who works, no matter what he is wearing, is gonna be regarded better than the scout who doesn't work but dresses perfectly. Same can be said for football I guess, too. We had a guy who lost a helmet in a pile, but still recovered the fumble and rumbled 40 yard for a TD. He wasn't dressed right for the activity, but he got the job done. The crowd even cheered for him, even though he wasn't dressed up spiffy. I guess the guy who gets the job done gets the cheers no matter how he looks. Brent Allen, I am not understanding about the mutually exclusive part. I see that mutually exclusive means that both cannot be true, but I don't see how your writing "I didn't realize that Scout skills and uniforming were mutually exclusive, or that service and uniforming were mutually exclusive." makes any sense to me. Maybe you could explain it better? And on what you say, if I understand if, which I think I don't but I will try anyway I think it goes kinda like this. I agree with you that someone could wear a perfect uniform and be a great outdoorsman and save everyone heroically. And I think that you don't even have to be in scouts to be a great outdoorsman, if that is what you are getting at. And people in uniforms can do great service. However, my point is, if you are in a situation that you actually need the skills you were supposedly learning, how you look while you are doing them is nothing. If I wasn't a scout and was lost in the wilderness with two other scouts, one who wore a perfect uniform, and one who didn't have one, I would listen and hang with the one who knew what he was doing. Again, in that situation, I would respect the guy who could tie the bowline to get me up in the rescue chopper, even if he was naked, than the guy who wore his full uniform and tied me a 'bowline' that turned into a slipknot halfway up to the chopper. Now i think I know what you are getting at. Which would I pick out of a guy wearing a uniform who knew what he was doing and a guy without uni who knew what he was doing. This is an interesting question. Relating back to football, if we were playing it in the park a pickup game, and someone showed up in pads and a jersey, I would think they were pushy and a poser. Now, scouts in the same situation. If i was gonna be lost in the wildy with one of two guys, I wouldn't care how they were dressed, I'm not gonna be admiring their clothes in a survival situation. If it was for any amount of time, and they both had the same skills, I would stay with the guy who was more fun to be with. And if fore some reason I decided to go with the one in the uniform, he would know through his scouting values that he wears that he should include everyone, and all three of us would stay together anyways. That is how it would work anyway, if three people were lost. If there was only two, I don't care what he looks like, I;m not gonan be checking him out. I just want someone who will help us get out of the wildy, not someone who soaps the inside of cooking pots. And if you ask if I would rather be lost in the wildy with a uni wearer or non uni wearer, my answer is that I would rather not be lost at all. And if I was, I wouldn't care who I was lost with, really, whoever helps us get found the most. If this is related back to a campout, I would rather camp with the guy who can put up the tent with me in 5 mins, cook without burning the food, and be better in what activity we do, no matter what it is. In a football game or capture the flag on a campout, I would want the next fastest burner on my team, or the guy who can catch. I don't care in football if we have a guy in uni that can't catch the ball if we have someone who can catch it every time without it. Guess who I want on my team? Capture the flag, I would rather have a guy who stays to his assignment who wears a T than a uni guy who does whatever he wants. Really, the attitude of the kid is more important than the clothes. I don't hang with friends because how they dress, but what they are like, or their skills. If I needed my car fixed, I wouldn't care who fixed it, as lng as it got fixed for a reasonable price. And I bet the car repairshop without spiffy uniforms can do it alot cheaper than the one with mechanics wearing suits. I look for the skills in a person. As long as they wear some sort of clothes we r good 2 go. Relating back to friends' dress, I remember hours of conversation with them from staying up with them countless nights. I remember the funny or true things they have said. I have experienced where new friends finally start to open up to you, and you go from being able to discuss nothing, to anything, without any consequences. Also I notice that people from school, no matter if they are wearing a 'team shirt' or not they still are the same person. Our powerlifters do not gain 50 lbs of lift just by putting on a shirt. He is still just as good, no matter how he dresses. If in a contest he beats out a guy who is wearing a professional power lifting uniform while wearing ath shorts and a ua shirt, he still wins. Guess who I would rather have lift the steel beam off my leg if the school collapsed? During all of this, I have no rememberance of what clothes they were wearing, or I was wearing. Shows you what things are built of... (This message has been edited by f_cbb)

New here, and a HS Student, but I just had to say that I have never been bothered at public school when I got my letterman and wore it first, or even when I had to wear a suit to school for some things. And here is my take on uniforms. The only reason I wore a suit was for a speaking competition to IMPRESS the judges. Also, the other guy would be in one too, so I would automatically not look as good as him from the beginning if I didn't. Kinda you have to match what your competitor is doing to stay on equal grounds to start off with as much as possible. Now, uniforms the same way. I would only wear it to impress someone that would be impressed. But with boy scouts, its not a competition. You don't need equal footing to fight to the prize, you all want to get the prize as a group and bring everyone along. I believe that if you aren't impressing people you are watching with your actions, knowledge and dedication, a uniform isn't gonna help you much in scouts. A scout who can tie all his knots but doesn't wear a uniform is gonna be held higher than one who has a perfect uniform but can't do anything to save his life. A scout that shows up to all the service projects with no uniform will impress the organization the projects are for much more than the scout who has a perfect uniform but does not show. I wouldn't dream of wearing my uniform to school, as that does not make a good impression. Impressions are made through actions. The guy playing football with the dirty ripped jersey and the scratched up helmet who makes the winning TD will be respected alot more than the guy who sits on the sidelines in a perfect uniform. Impress through your actions, as looks will only take you so far. You can look great in your scout uniform when your plane crashes in the wilderness, but thats not gonna do you any good. You can't say "Star Scout power activate" and press your badge, spin in a circle, and a nice camp is built up for you. You have to have the skills. If you have the skills, you will always do better than the guy who doesn't no matter what you are wearing.