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PAST ... Opening a bank account has drastically changed over the last 20 years. Last time we did it, the bank employee routed us to a gov site to create a non-profit EIN. Then we used that one. Probably ... no definitely not the right choice. BUT, that's how it was opened. NOW ... ??? Policies and procedures are lagging and don't address it.

The key confusion is always talking about a "unit shoot". That's for convenience. Structurally, it's a district / council shoot. (training, staff, etc). ... It's only advertised to that unit and thus we call it a unit shoot.

Good article ... It should have dived into "Natural Selection" further. Traditional jobs probably align better with odds of having more children. Example ... The average female forester / fireman / policeman probably has fewer kids than the average teacher / nurse / HR staff. Generation over generation, this is a feedback loop that naturally continues the separation. Should have dived into gender hormones more. Those hormones affect body development causing the average male to be 10% to 20% stronger / taller / bigger than the average female. As we all want to do jobs where we have an advantage, this ability difference causes a gender alignment for physically demanding jobs.

Same with our pack. We explicitly did not have a check-in / check-out program. Pack did not take responsibility for watching who comes and goes from the event with the cubs. The pack ran the event. The pack did not run the attendance. In many ways, this is because the maturity difference between kindergarten and 5th grade is too big. There is no way you can month after month create a pack meeting format that serves both groups. The maturity level is just too big. ORIGINAL QUESTION ... Policy would be in Guide To Safe Scouting. I don't see one. Closest is in the camping section. https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34416.pdf Page 22 ... "Cub Scout youth should attend the camping event with their parent(s)/ guardian(s). "Lions and Tigers must have their adult partner present to take part. "For all other ranks: only in exceptional circumstances, a Cub Scout whose parent or legal guardian cannot attend a unit overnight camping trip may participate under the supervision of another registered adult member of the BSA, a parent of a Cub Scout who is also attending. The unit leader and a parent or legal guardian must agree to the arrangement, and all Youth Protection policies apply. At no time may another adult accept responsibility for more than one additional “non family member” youth. "Webelos and Arrow of Light Den Camping: Each Scout should attend with their parent(s) or guardian(s). A Webelos or Arrow of Light Scout whose parent or legal guardian cannot attend a den overnight camping trip may participate under the supervision of at least two registered leaders. The leaders and a parent or legal guardian must agree to the arrangement, and all Youth Protection policies apply."

There is some benefit in single gender and some in mixed. For me, I would like to let troops choose if they want to be single gender or mixed gender. Some parents do want a single gender experience for their kids. Others don't care or want an integrated experience. IMHO, let troops choose their personality.

That's the real damage. It burns out volunteers that just want to setup tents and cook in the woods.

Is it a money handling law that the money would never reach Philmont? First has to go thru bankruptcy court? Or is it a truth in advertising law to prevent fraud by misleading donors giving money to a bankrupt non-profit? ... i.e. if you are in bankruptcy proceedings, you should not pretend that business will continue. That's fraud or not fully truthful.

It's a stepwise adjustment. Things will evolve over time.

Quick? Quick in bankruptcy proceedings is three months or more.

Agreed. It should. It doesn't though. "everything" always infers a reasonableness as in the definition of negligence. The change is "reasonableness" changes over time as we learn and society changes.

The gotcha is judging in hindsight whether they did all they can do. The judgements will be very different in the moment ... versus a year later ... versus 25 years later. No much survives unscathed when deciding what went wrong.

"I THOUGHT" ... and it's been a long time ... it was tickets (5 tickets). Now one ticket with 5 individual goals. Categorization ... Tickets were categorized (personal, unit, district/council, etc) ... Now "strengthens me" versus "strengthens my group". Plus, one must have a diversity aspect. Added listing personal values Added description of scouting role Added statement of success The ticket workbook smells like the Eagle project workbook. http://woodbadge.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Ticket-Workbook.pdf Doesn't always feel like the word "goal" is used correctly. Whole things has been revamped. Very different.

Don't stress the ticket. It's part of the course. If you want to learn more about it. Best way to prepare for the course, prepare your camping gear. ... When you get there, do your best to make friends and watch how things work. http://woodbadge.org/the-wood-badge-ticket/ http://woodbadge.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Ticket-Workbook.pdf Wow ... Either my memory is bad or the tickets have changed. My reading shows the ticket system has changed over the last 15 years.

#1 Don't stress it. Make it fun. Enjoy the course. #2 Not necessary as you will have plenty, plenty of time during the course, but google woodbadge ticket ideas. Lots out there. For example, https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2016/04/19/favorite-wood-badge-ticket-item/ #3 BIGGEST ONE ... Like in scouting, you will learn more from how the course is run than anything explicitly said. IMHO, it's like scouting as I think the best lessons are natural lessons learned by doing something else.

Well said.

Agreed. I agree the wrong focus is now on equity of outcome because there is no way to judge equity at the start. If a person gets X extra every year for 12 years of primary school and then 4 years of college and then the rest of their career, is that equitable? ... You can never answer what is equitable because you never know how much was already given and if it will be enough to make a difference.

you can do that !!!!! WHAT !!!! ... Dang ... Wish I knew that years ago. ... When I lived in CA, I rented but always felt sorry for those who just moved into the city. AND, I felt jealous of a few co-workers who slowly over years acquired their house from their parents without a registered sale. It is amazing how tax assessment is used against people. ... Locally (outside CA), I know several people who have that "knack" and have had their home assessments knocked far down below the real market value. ... Same several people that says we don't pay give schools enough money. But their home is taxed at 2/3rds of it's market value where as most of us are taxed right at 99% of what we can sell the house for. ... Really good at managing their money by saying others should pay more.

Mixing multiple topics ... Interesting ... I'm not a DEI fan either. The last training I saw was drastically watered down, but it is very much about political indoctrination. The good in the badge was already everywhere in scouting. The rest crosses the line into politics. Always thought scouting explicitly taught good citizenship and specifically inclusiveness. All are welcome. ... The issue was scouting had trouble getting people to show-up when invited. Specifically, scouting always had trouble recruiting from poorer families or those who's heritage did not include scouting. The good of the Citizenship in Society badge is that ... I'm hoping ... is that it will cause the five Citizenship merit badges to be re-thought. ... I count Family Life as Citizenship in the Family. ... I had an outstanding high school education. Public school but many of my textbooks were used by the state university for their courses. ... If I was in 10th or 11th grade looking at the Citizenship badges, I'd just have mostly contempt and wonder why I was sitting thru them. Hugely absolutely screamingly agree.

Abuse is wrong. Your situation is painful. BSA could have kept blocking the volunteer with a permanent block. His registration was known registered SM, then blocked. If the SM did not get incorrect records corrected within ... say 5 years ... it should have been permanent without possibility of removal. TODAY ... perhaps BSA should have a different role. Leave the good or bad volunteer decision to the background check. ... If the background check comes back clean, they can be registered. ... I'm not saying it would work. Just a thought. My reason is that I fear future legal liabilities for organizations that try to decide if a volunteer is safe. ... OR ... BSA should stop using the "registration" process. It infers BSA is taking responsibility for the volunteer. :Perhaps a different unit structure (as we keep infering) is needed.

Agreed. Without the dragging of those out into the light of day, I doubt the momentum that resulted in BSA's bankruptcy would have happened. Abuse is wrong. Period. I'm not defending the abuse at all. ... The issue is that lawyers exists to protect the client. ... IMHO, in this case, the legal advice failed miserably. I believe that the scouting abuse is similar in size and scope that we had seen in other organizations. That's my opinion. Others judge it differently. ... One trigger for the current situation is that the IVF files provided the perfect storm to feed a frenzy. The only why I can understand keeping 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ year old records is that leadership felt morally driven to keep those records to keep those abusers out and wrong to purge records. ... The intention was right, but legal decision left BSA vulnerable to document fishing. I just looked at my state's criminal data retention policy. Police records (investigation, arrest, etc) can be purged after SOL expires or 30 year; whichever comes first. At the time of most of these crimes, the SOL window was less than 10 years. ... So, even if we wanted to see whether the police were involved and what actions they took in these cases, we could not find those records. ... COs never kept detailed records like this long term. ... BSA by creating that depth of record exposed itself to huge risk.

Well written. I fully agree. It's just not possible. Hindsight and changes in judgement, values and expectations causes past records to be more damaging than valuable. Also, isn't that the whole thing that opened BSA's legal nightmare? BSA kept incident records from 50+ years ago. ... It's legal negligence that BSA did not have these documents subject to a data retention policy. Yes, handle the incidents. Follow the law that exists at that time. Make the best decisions and take the right actions. Then, when done, the records should have been subject to a standard data retention policy. ... Every major corporation I know learned that lesson in the 1990s. ... Given how the courts enable using your own records against you, why would anyone keep such records from 30, 40, 50+ years ago? So then the question is NOW ... should organizations try to record their decisions? Document what happened to protect themselves in the future? IMHO, no. Future judgements use different litmus tests and different interpretations. ... Slight, small mistakes or change-of-perception can infer huge liability. ... In many ways, it's better to purge all the records. It reminds me of the older scouts in our troop. They do not put post their personal life ... aka dating ... in Facebook. Period. They used SnapChat or Instragram. They want the pictures and comments gone. They don't want their next girl-friend to surf their past. It's a teenage data retention policy.

I hate finding typos in what I write. Replace "not" with "now". ... And, I really wish I could come back 12 hours later to remove half the words.

Makes sense. Dioceses are independent businesses with their own lawyers AND their own state oversight requirements. For example, my diocese has legal reporting requirements to the state AG as part of a settlement. Other dioceses don't necessarily have those expectations. BSA needs to drop the term "charter". Like most churches, Catholic dioceses "conceptually" strongly support BSA and scouting. The issue is the contractual and legal obligations. Long gone is the 1950s honorary view of a charter. Courts are now enforcing it as a legal document with millions of dollars of liability. ... Twenty years of pain for most Catholic dioceses have left extra oversight requirements. Twenty years of pain have emphasized legal obligations and risks. ... Extra oversight. Extra training. Church run background checks. It's expensive in dollars, staff and time. ... Churches can't afford to "charter". Churches are willing to do what they've always done. Provide space. Store stuff. ... The problem is asking them to take legal responsibility and being financially liable. BSA should push facility use agreements over charter org agreements. ... Scouting needs to match the agreement with reality. These are legal documents. Even if not enforced in a court of law. Morally, the words should match what you do. If you sign a document saying you will do something, you have a moral obligation to do what you said you would do. ... Currently, BSA asks COs to sign detailed agreements but then minimizes CO dependencies as BSA knows COs are not fulfilling their written obligations. .... Far beyond BSA checking if the CO is doing as written. Rather, it's setup to handle the problem that most COs just don't actively fulfill the charter.

Agree. Neither pack or troop scouts use their handbooks much anymore. Period. Phones and Google changed the world. I'd like cubs to have them, but at $200 per year for 8 cubs (den size), it's just too much. Even for the older scouts ... even Eagle scouts barely spent much time in the handbook beyond the requirement page checklists. A very few do. Most do not. ... By the way ... It's beyond awkward to say cub scout versus scout. It's wrong. Cub scouts is a sub-type of scout. Years ago, it was also awkward / wrong to use boy scout versus cub scout as cubs are part of BSA (Boy Scouts of America). ... I've now begun to use pack scouts versus troop scouts. I know it does not match official "branding" or what we are taught, but I feel more accurate and concise saying it. ... and I don't feel like I'm always tripping and needing to explain which group I really mean.