Fat Old Guy

"This thread is discusting at best!" Open mindedness at its best.

It's all over the place, SM Handbook, PL Handbook, SPL Handbook. SPL is the only elected troop position. All others are appointed by the SPL with the approval of the SM. Positions that have patches are SPL (elected), ASPL, Chaplain Aide, Scribe, LIbrarian, Historian, Quartermaster. Other positions of responsibility can be created as needed and could include Webmaster, Photographer or anything else that your Scouts can think of.

" Other characteristics of it are being down to earth, appreciative, holy appearance, straight, humility, respect, bearing, and no joking." -- snip -- " All warrior cultures manifest this virtue." Is there documentation that the Vikings didn't tell jokes, "Olaf, did you hear the one about the . . ." What about the Spartans, when they weren't fondling little boys did they not sing songs and tell jokes? (This message has been edited by Fat Old Guy)

"I hoped my point was clearer than maybe it was" I got your point, it looks as though my point was missed.

" A sign of a learned man is his ability to quote to prove a point." Is that a quote? A learned man may be able to quote but an intelligent man proves his point with facts or conclusions based on observations. Quotations from Socrates and Plato are not facts, just opinions stated by men who died long ago. " This whole society is about glorifying people to spout their opinion." Evidently, you are seeking glory.

"Again, I suggested that sounds like the job of the QM, and I was told that if the QM was going to do all the work, we woulnd't need adults." This would be a bad thing? I'm sure that our troop Secretary would love it if the Scribe would handle 99% of the membership paperwork. As for the troop handbook, our target audience is the adults.

"What do these men have in common? They use the principles of the Scouting program as a way to develop leadership roles in their industry and they have used it successfully over the years." With possibly the exceptions of Bill Marriott and H. Ross Perot, I'm not too impressed by the list. J.C. Penney is ailing. Lockheed has no loyalty to emplyees and neither did McDonnell Douglas. Corporate success is rarely a hallmark of good character. " I was in the 20th Century Wood Badge, the one with the Outdoor program with the Scouting skills, the one with the patrols and the ticket items. I was in the one that is continually demeaned by many on this site." I would never say anything bad about the old Wood Badge.

"OK, there is a deeply misguided and severely intrusive poster running amongst us." He's only misguided to because he doesn't like your kind.

" To bad your mind and views are so narrow." Any view which opposes yours is narrow. --- Randolph Tangaway

"February is of course Blue and Gold month. I try to get to all the banquets that I'm invited too. They all seem to serve chicken." Too bad you aren't in my district. At the last Blue & Gold that I attended as a Cub Scouter, we had a buffet chicken (of course), roast beef, smashed potatoes (with the skins mixed in), some sort of green veggies that I don't eat, salad, and lasagne for those who only eat pasta. We never saw the District Chair at any of our dinners .

Ah, as usual Sagan shows that he didn't have a clue. Bozo wasn't a real person, he wasn't even played by just one person over the years. However, Sagan idioacy is shown best by the fact that he misses the real purpose of Bozo and that is to have people laugh at him.

- The second learning objective is to "Recognize the contemporary leadership concepts utilized in corporate America and leading government organizations that are relevant to our values based movement." Has anyone really looked at corporate America and thought about how idiotic this statement is? Corporate America is interested in short term success and the hell with the long term. They are stripping this country dry and sending middle class jobs overseas. Well, maybe that has to do with the global nature of Scouting.

" I would not mess with these solvents." I don't suggest drinking them, however, they can and may be used safely in a well ventilated area such as your back yard.

Some glues disolve with paint thinner. Others I've boiled and then scrubbed the softened glue off with a Scotch brite pad. I think that gluing patches onto to uniforms should be a felony. BTW, WD-40 doesn't usually stain clothing.(This message has been edited by Fat Old Guy)

" The contributing authors of WB were asked for input on making the course a more effective tool for teaching leadership skills to adults." Maybe that's the problem. The last time that I checked, adults in Scouting weren't supposed to be providing leadership. We're supposed to let the boys lead.

A priest, a rabbi and a minister walk into a bar. The bartender looks at them and shouts, "What is this, a joke?"

TP, get your facts straight. The helicopters were from HM-16, read their history at http://members.aol.com/helmineron/hm-16.htm. The confusion is understandable to the layman. Marine Squadrons have an "M" in them as in "VMA-214" so you could jump to the conclusion that HM-16 was a bunch a flying Gyrenes but Marine helo squadrons have a three letter designation as in "HMX-1" or "HMM-165". HM-16 was a Navy Helo squadron. As for whether I was a Marine. No, I didn't have that honor. I was a Naval officer.

"The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States..." Interesting but the last time that I checked, the Congress didn't collect any taxes, the Executive Branch does that. So the collection of the Income Tax is unconstitutional. Now before you go and say, "Well, they tell the IRS to collect taxes" consider that each branch of the governement has their own police force. Why? The Chief of the Supreme Court Police once told me that you couldn't have police controlled by the Executive Branch protecting the other branches. With that reasoning, the Congress cannot direct the Executive branch to collect taxes. Hooray! I don't have to pay my taxes! We are free!

Wheeler's latest rant is about the Citizenship in the World merit badge. He claims to have been a Boy Scout but is surprised by this merit badge. When was he a Boy Scout? My 1972 Handbook lists Cit World as Eagle Required. Was he a Boy Scout before that time? Was Wheeler a Boy Scout? Was Wheeler a Devil Dog? Who knows? Only Lamont Cranston.

Okay, I'm going to play Devil's advocate here. How many of you who claim to follow the Bible's teachings would have your teenaged daughter stoned to death after you caught her doing the 'who-de-who' in the family room? How about when your son refuses to clean his room, mow the lawn or do his homework? Are you willing to have him stoned?

TP showed his ignorance with, "Who's going to make up participating in the rescue attempt in the desert in 1980? It was an Army Delta operation. A 20 year old Marine would have never left the ship." Pardon me but you're a. . . we'll leave that unsaid. If a 20 year old Marine never would have left the ship, how do you explain the the four Marines that died that night? Here's a buck, go buy a clue. They used Navy helos and where the Navy goes, so does the Marine Corps. Marines serving in the wardroom? Gotta laugh. Here's another buck, go buy another clue.

That's pretty busy day to burn 8,000 calories but that's still only two pounds of fat. Two days of that and I still haven't taken my belt in a notch.

" I do not care if a person is male, female, " Must have made dating interesting.

Hey Pound Trailer, when you consider that a pound of blubber is 3,500 Calories and that at my size, a mile uses about 200 Calories, I can go quite a while before I have to take my belt in a notch.

" He shows up the first day speaking french and taught all the lessons in french" Oddly, the language teacher at my high school that was considered the most successful was my German teacher who used the total immersion method. Only one of her students EVER heard her speaking English in over 10 years. We not only spoke German, we thought it and, frighteningly, dreamt in German. When I went to college, I was given nine credits of German by exam.