Fat Old Guy

"What lead scouts to believe they had the authority to select or fire adult volunteers." They just asked the SM to quit. Just as a group of cops can ask the chief to quit.

A clip-on tie? Never. Anyway, that wouldn't solve the problem of the floppy collar.

"What say we kill this horse now, so everyone can beat it for a few days." What's your problem? I know that Christ died about 2,000 years ago but I didn't complain about your reminder.

Wow! That thing looks just like a Spiffy. Of course they were only a buck back then but gas was only 35 cents a gallon too. How did you find it?

"Is the CO's name on the account? Do they have the authority to sign checks? If the answer to these question is not then the money belongs to the unit not the CO." Sorry Ed but that's a bad example. A says to B, "I want you pay the paperboy, the pool guy and the lawn guy whilst I'm away on vacation. Here's a grand that should cover it. Any excess, give it back to me when I get back." B, not wanting to leave a thousand dollars sitting around, opens a new checking account with that money. Whose money is it? A can't get to it without B's approval or the help of the courts but is it not his money? Not that I think that the CO should have the money that the Troop has raised. I just think that your example is bad.

Why a duck? Monty Python Meets the Marx Brothers

TP said, "He's not the only book-thumper . . " However, I am neither pedantic nor arrogant but I do dance well. The big difference between Bobo and FOG is that to Bob White, anything that is published by BSA is the ideal and to question it means that you are disloyal and suspect. I, on the other hand, believe that requirements need to be met but we are free to say that policies, procedures and requirements a bad, stupid or poorly designed.

" FOG, you are correct about the energy being IR but remember, you 'see' the foil using VISIBLE wavelengths. Unless your eyes are different from everyone else's, you have no idea - using your eyes alone - of how well the foil reflects IR." Unless I've forgottem all of the E&M stuff that I learned back . . . well, back then . . . shiny reflectors reflect more EM radiation than dull reflectors. How much more is a matter of wavelength but the IR wavelengths are close enough to visible that it shouldn't be that different. Maybe we should ask Cheffy. In the meantime, I'm off to the lab with some thermocouples, a heat lamp and my DMM.

Many, many, many years ago, when the military still issued shirts without stays in the collar, you used a nifty spring loaded device called a "Spiffy" to hold your collar straight. I had more than a few back then but I can't find a single one now. The Spiffy poked into the points of the collar and the crosspiece hid behind your tie. Also years ago, I came across Spiffy-like devices except that there was no cross piece. There were two separate pieces, one for each side of your collar. A point jammed into the underside of the collar point and the upper end was T-shaped to fit into the fold. I suppose that with the rise of shirts with internal stays and the decrease of men wanting to look nice, the Spiffy's days were numbered. I once found a story on the internet that talked about the Spiffy but Google isn't turning that up anymore.

"Isn't that what NWS was saying?" Are you taking Bob White lessons about quotes out of context?

The envelope cap was adopted during WW I to replace the campaign hat and was restricted to soldiers serving outside the US, hence the name. In 1940, the Army authorized wearing the "garrison" cap in the US as well as overseas so the name needed to change. From the name, we can assume that the garrison cap was for wear in "garrison" where the billed service cap or campaign hat would be impractical. The overseas cap had at least three styles during WW I, a few styles between wars, more wartime styles, a Marince corps style, and the Navy style (the correct one by my way of thinking). The Boy Scouts called the cap a "field cap." Oh yeah, let's not forget the less polite names for the cap.

"Golly gee I guess when we implemented a TQM process and the waste number went from 10 percent a month to under 5 it was a waste of the company money." If the MBAs hadn't screwed things up in the first place, you wouldn't need to give another bunch of MBA money to fix it.

Fish - Any of numerous cold-blooded aquatic vertebrates of the superclass Pisces, characteristically having fins, gills, and a streamlined body and including specifically:. a. Any of the class Osteichthyes, having a bony skeleton. b. Any of the class Chondrichthyes, having a cartilaginous skeleton and including the sharks, rays, and skates. Fiche - A microfiche. Microfiche - A card or sheet of microfilm capable of accommodating and preserving a considerable number of pages, as of printed text, in reduced form.

Interesting. Very interesting. I wonder when the Orange Circle officially went away for Tiger Cubs. Our Scout Shop carried them until the program changed in 2001. When I was involved with Cub Scouts, we gave the Tiger Cubs orange circles until Spring of 2001. Oddly the guys at the Scout Shop never mentioned anything when I bought all of those orange circles. Does anyone have a collection of Insignia Guides to check back?

pdunbar asked, "Anybody? Is Bob White always this arrogant? I do not mean him any harm, but is he the God of scouting." Bobo Blanco arrogant? Nah. Nope. Never. Not him but he has been described one wit as a pompous, arrogant, pedantic book-thumper.

I've read of and known of more than a few troops that have had a series of Charter Organizations. Maybe things were different back then or maybe our reality is different that Bobo Blanco's reality.

I think that this was discussed at some point in the past. I think that Man O'Steele said that a council could give a "transferred" unit tenure for its previous existence. So if Troop 100's CO shuts down, and a new Troop 100 is born with the same membership but a new CO, they can ask to be considered a continuously chartered unit.

"BTW the insignia guides just say you have to have earned a religious award to wear the knot." As we know, BSA publications often never give the entire story. In any case, we need to look at the spirit of the rule. Did the writers of the insignia guide itend for Bhuddist boys to earn Parvuli Dei? Also, doesn't it say in the God and Country book that the Scout's pastor needs to sign off? No matter which way you're trying to twist the rules, the program works better if implemented as designed and each Scout works on the religious emblem for his faith.

"You don't have to be black to test the AME Zion hypothisis. If you are white, marry a black and go test to your hearts content!" That might work for you but not for me. I'm married to a white woman so any test would only be valid if I was black.

"As far as my "big assumption" that pdunbar's version of the story is accurate, how is that different from any other threads here?" Perhaps we should insist on documentation when anyone announces that their son just made Eagle or that they were just awarded their beads. When someone says, "I was talking to my DE . . ." how do with know that the other person was in fact the DE and not someone posing as a DE? This could get complicated.

Doing a search for BSA's registered trademarks is very interesting. At one time, "Green Bar Bill" was a registered trademark.

Things are heating up in the Episocpal church as well. There is dissention over gay bishops as well as female bishops.

Bobo keeps yapping about how training would solve all the ills and create understanding throughout the world but he misses the point that pdunbar has been trained. I guess the difference is that he hasn't been through official Bobo Scouts of America training and learned the Bobo Scout way of doing things.

"BSA doesn't allow discrimination based on race, so presumably would not allow a church that discriminated on the basis of race to be a CO" Maybe if it was a white church. I know that AME Zion churches charter troops and I've been told by black friends that blacks who marry whites are not welcome in AME Zion churches. I'm not black so I haven't had the opportunity to test this.

Our trailer is chanied to a light pole in our CO's parking lot. It is registered to a fellow who was the SM about eight years ago. We've talke about changing the registration but nobody has moved off the dime yet.