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Merlyn, If it isn't a religion how can it be considered religious discrimination? Got that in writting where it says the government can't fund a group that discriminates based on religion? Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

I thinks pink is the issue. Paint 'em green!

Merlyn, You really are clueless sometimes. Read what Rooster posted, not what you think he posted. The BSA doesn't discriminated based on religion. Atheism isn't a religion! So by not allowing atheists to join the BSA, the BSA isn't discriminating based on religion. And I use to like Firesign Theater, too. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Hops, Congrats on getting tapped out! Welcome to the Lodge! Great job on the merit badges! Sounds lik you had a great week at camp! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Hey do pinking shears have to be pink to qualify as pinking shears?

Ok Bob. I read the 1st post & reread page 22. What's your point? If the provisional patrol has 6 Scouts (not including the PL) and 3 of those Scouts are in the PL's patrol what is the point of electing a new PL when one already exists? A good Scout should be able to follow any leader and according to the end of your statement "I can better lead a group by understanding the individuals in the group, I do not have to have been a part of the group for that to happen." you also feel this should work. OGE, No offense but I would like to wait & hear Bob's reply. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Mark, I'm not speaking for SM406. Just tossing in my 2 cents worth. I'll probably get change. Those who don't believe will spend eternity in Hades. Those who you said never had the chance will be in the same place. God has given us all the chance to follow him. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

OGE, Have a nice nap?

pack, I'm agreeing with you but the response was to Bob. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Right from the Fact Sheets on Nationals web site: A vital part of the BSA's advancement plan, the merit badge program is one of Scouting's basic character-building tools. Through participation in the program (which may begin immediately upon registration in a troop or team), a Scout acquires the kind of self-confidence that comes only from overcoming obstacles to achieve a goal. Instruction is offered in everything from animal science and public speaking to swimming and communications, providing a young man with invaluable career, physical, and interpersonal skills. I only see the word career once. I don't see the word hobby. And the main purpose seems to be acquiring self-confidence. If a Scout chooses a career based on what he learned from a merit badge, then that's a perk! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, No confusion on my part. Just wondering how you are justifying your statement. If you dont't have to be part of a group to understand the individuals in the group, why would a provisional patrol need to elect a PL and not just have an existing PL lead the patrol? The existing PL was not appointed by the SM, he was elected by his patrol. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, Thanks for not answering the question. You seem to contradict yourself. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

No Bob, it's no unfamiliar to me. Your statement "I can better lead a group by understanding the individuals in the group, I do not have to have been a part of the group for that to happen." seems to say that if a provisional patrol is put out, an existing PL would be able to lead the patrol. So why the need for a new PL? By the way, my in my last post I meant provisional PL not patrol. Sorry. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

We gotta get spell check. Terry, you monitoring this!

Gotta agree with Mark about making Cooking an Eagle required merit badge.

"I can better lead a group by understanding the individuals in the group, I do not have to have been a part of the group for that to happen." Then why the need for a provisional patrol? A good leader will be able to quickly understand the individual needs of his patrol whether the patrol elected him or not. Which goes to my original point. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, You are right on the money with this one. Scouting values haven't changed! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

OGE, Thanks for correcting the typo. I have always liked to put thing into perspective so to speak! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Serutun is natures spelled backwards!

Yes medical staff must be on site 24/7 for emergencies. Not to dole out medicne at 2 AM. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, Your view of this subject is a little skewed. If you can't follow or maybe a better word is obey those in charge how can you expect people to follow or obey you when you are in charge? Example - Billy Tenderfoot is on the duty roster as kitchen clean-up. Billy Tenderfoot plays around and is told by his PL to get his job done. Billy Tenderfoot still plays around & eventually his PL gets someone else to do the job. Now, Billy Tenderfoot has been elected PL. One of his Patrol members is on the duty roster as kitchen clean-up and does the same thing Billy did when he was a Tenderfoot. When Billy confronts this Scout, the Scout says " you did it when you were kitchen clean-up. Why can't I?" See my point. You probably won't but try! It isn't that hard to understand. My basic argument is you need to be a good follower to be a good leader. A good Scout doesn't translate to a good Scouter. Can't compare the two. A good adult Scout leader must be a good adult Scout follower 1st. It might not be in the book but it works. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

OK Bob. Since you seem to be such a good leader, who did you learn from? Were you a follower before you were a leader? Or is everything you learned from a book? Your Baden-Powell example is the exception not the rule. I would hazard to guess that the majority of of good leaders in Scouting and else where were good followers first. You simple example of the chef & fisherman & the others was inane at best. If you really feel those were valid examples then me thinks it's time for you to take some more leadership courses cause the ones you took to this point did no good. And based on your examples, if a Scouter wasn't a good Scout, he can't be a good Scouter! Not true! Not all good Scouts make good Scouters. Just like in sports. A good player doesn't equal a good coach. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

kwc57, Is this health nurse going to be available 24/7? What if little Johnie needs to take his blue pill every hour? Will she be available for the 2 AM or 4 AM dosage? This seems extreme to me. When we go to camp, I or one of my assistants keeps track of all the Scouts medication & when they should get it. The medication is kept locked up at our site. As far as HIPPA goes, the BSA doesn't need to comply. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, I'm not disagreeing with letting the Scouts pick their PL for a provisional patrol. All I'm saying is it isn't always a must. I've taken many leadership courses in & out of Scouting. Not all but many have emphasised to be a good leader you must be a good follower 1st. In fact at my councils annual Eagle banquet two years ago, the keynote speaker included being a good follower before being a good leader in his speech. I know it's not "written" in any Scouting manual, but common sense must prevail. If you have a Scout(s)who aren't willing to follow their leader, then how are they going to get anyone to follow them? Sometimes things aren't in the book. It isn't poetic. And while you say it isn't supported in the leadership training of the BSA, it isn't unsupported either. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

I dunno Bob. To be a good leader you must 1st learn to follow. If you can't follow or won't then you can't expect people to follow you. Kids will remember that you didn't follow them when they were a leader. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10