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Ownership. We give the SPL ownership of the Troop and the PL ownership of his Patrol. This allows each to make their own decisions & learn from their mistakes. I'm not sure if this is positive reinforcement, though. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

I coulda gone with the gift certificate fore merchandise, too as long as it was to a sporting goods, office supply or computer store. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Everytime I put up a tarp or clothesline or almost anything that requires tied down, I use a taut-line & usually a bowline on the other end! I'm with Fat Old Guy on this. Laura, Atta girl! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

OGE, I agree (hey I made a rhyme!) Ed

"I have no worries of you or Ed serving on a national committee." Why is that, Bob? Becaus I don't subscribe to your interpretation of the BSA! Remember, it's the Boy Scouts of America not he Bob Scouts of America! "Having leadership skills - is this equated with maturity?" Could be, yes! It goes to maturity. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Fat Old Guy, I'd rather type three three letter words than a three letter acronym, but thanks. Ed

1st - Do you want to? If you don't then don't.

I've seen this before. Kinda cool, huh?

"You want to be able to remove advancement, you want to control elections, you want to deteremine what merit badges they work on, you want to be able to use attendance to determine advancement. Why always the negative route? Where has the scouting program told you to do these things?" OK Bob. I never said I want to remove advancement or anything else you posted! Again, you interpretation. No retesting is necessary. If you ask a Scout how he completed a requirement & he answers " I have no idea" then maybe he didn't do it & someone just signed him off! Oops! Forgot! That never happens because you have never seen it happen! "Even you have refered to him as FOG, as have many other posters. What is in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet? It's just a bulletin board handle for cryin out loud Ed, It's not like it's his real name!" I refered to him with that acronym prior to him asking he not be refered to as such. Since, I haven't and Fat Old Guy, if I did, I apologize. Apparently it makes a difference to him & you should respect that. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

"Ed, Pages 28 through 30 of the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures Manual for starters." Bob, Maybe I missed it but I could find nothing that states once a requirement is signed off it can't be reversed. Please help me. Under what section of the above manual did you find it? Thanks Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Yep I checked, too! The words fully mastered are there in the SM handbook regarding advancement. Silver, Maybe it's a typo. Bob, It seems you have forgot one point of the Scout law - courteous! Fat Old Guy has asked you many times to not fall him by the initial of these three names and yet you persist. A true Scouter would not do this. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

True there isn't an age requirement in BoyScouts for any rank. But with the upper ranks (1st Class & up) a Scout is expected to learn to become a leader. That's part of the requirements. And being a leader requires some maturity. Now a 12 year old might make an excellent Patrol leader. But I would say this is the exception instead of the rule. Most 12 year olds don't have the maturity to be leaders let alone Eagles. Can they learn? Sure they can. But they should be expected to move along at their own pace. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, Pointless!!!! Wow! Not very Scoutlike are we??? Please enlighten those of us who don't know the advancement guidelines as well as you. Please reer us to the book & page where we can find where it says "once a requirement is signed off, it can't be reversed". Pointless!!!! I would ask for an apology but you won't! Cheap shot Bob! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

"Be that as it may, according to Mr. White there is no recourse once that pen has scribbled a signature in the handbook. The requirement is signed off and nothing can undo that." Fat Old Guy, I gonna use one of your posts as a question to Mr. White, OK? Bob, If during the course of events up to and including the BOR for rank it comes to light that the Scout didn't complete a requirement - his dad did all the work - and the requirement is signed off on you say it can't be changed. Where and in what manual is that written? Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Kaufmannroy, OK. Yes my son is an Eagle. And thanks! I musta been tired when I read you post. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

If this Scout just earned Life and he is 17 1/2 and a day it is mathematically impossible for him to earn his Eagle which makes the rest of this moot! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Kaufmannroy, Huh? Ed

Bob, I have had that question asked of me. My answer was always, "have Johnny come talk to me about it. I will explain it to him." And it is one that happens in the program in other units! How do I know this? In talking with other SM's and Scouters. Maybe this is unique to Western PA. Some parents feel earned means my son tried really hard but just couldn't get it but since he tried really hard he deserves it. I know, Bob, you have never heard of this but it happens! Then again, naybe it is uniques to Western PA. Oh yeah - Why everytime I bring something up it has to happen in my unit, Bob? Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Rooster, Dang! I was hoping for a pink parka, too! Alright I'll call them. Bob, I was right - you are humor impaired! How do I know! Your last post! Don't quit your day job (unless it has something to do with humor) Ed

"In 26 years of training Boy Scouts? NEVER!" You must be Scouting on your own island! "The place for the scout to show he can apply a skill that he has learned is on a hike or campout, not in front of a group of committee members." Agree but the committee can ask if it wants to! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, I don't need to believe that at all! I finally figured out why you have such a hard time agreeing with me. You are humor-impaired! Ed

Bob, Once again you agree with me! But only to a point. If the requirement hasn't been signed off then the board can ask anything it wants about that requirement to ensure the Scout knows what he is to know to have that requirement signed off. And providing the SM has given someone on the board the authority to sign off on rank requirements then this requirement could be signed off. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, Actually you agreed with Rooster & I not the other way. Hope that's ok with you, Rooster! Ed

The original post said this requirement wasn't signed off in his book so the BOR was completely within it's right to question him about it. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Actually done out of necessity. Just got new windows & the flag holder had to go.