evmori

Guess it depends on the intent. Let me share a story. One year at summer camp, a Scout in my Troop(I don't own the Troop just a saying)had some problems the day after parents night (Thursday). During his weather merit badge his verbage got the best of him. The area director has a cuss cup for such situations and this Scout ran up an $8 bill in 10 minutes at $0.25 a word. And to further top things, he was at the rifle range & took brass off the range. Taking brass off the range is an offense which the camp, not unit, will send a Scout home. I was informed of the foul language 1st. I suggested this Scout apologize to all the Scout, Scouters & staff present during his foul language. This would be done the next day prior to his weather merit badge class. Then the range director came to my tent & told me what happened there. I sensed this Scout wanted to go home & was trying his hardest to get sent there. I talked to the range director & expressed my feelings & asked that he NOT send this Scout home. He agreed & also agreed that this Scout would spend all day Friday at the range cleaning up & doing whatever the range director needed. To sum this all up, this Scout apologized to all present for his poor language & was a gofer for the range director for an entire day. Four months ago, this Scout earned his Eagle. Had I agreed to have this Scouts sent home, he might have quit & never fully realized his potential. The reason I share this. We need to be careful. While there are rules and they should be enforced we need to look at the violators & try to determine their intent. In the case of the 11 yr old with the knife, I feel it was handleed well. The case of the 15 yr old with the knife is completely different! His intent was different! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

OGE, Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry I got carried away. I get that way sometimes. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Amazing! "Time to get up" Direction from PL to his tent mate. "You cook breakfast I'll do the dishes" Direction for a PL to another member of his patrol. The Scout on cleanup was sick & still in bed. "Ok everyone, time to eat. Get you cups & have a seat!" You assumed (and we all know what this causes) I said this. Wrong again, Bob. The SPL said it. All the scouts were sitting around the campfire. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, Now you really have me confused! It's OK for you to call it YOUR Woodbadge patrol & troop but not OK for me to call the unit I serve as MY unit? And the difference is what? You need to get a life Bob. If you actually searched through all those posts then you need to get out more. I was just remembering what you had posted. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

No source, Bob. Just common sense. You put on the uniform you represent Scouting whether you want to or not. When people see you they see the BSA. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

No Bob, I didn't mean that at all. You seem to walk with blinders. You can't see left or right only straight ahead. And if it isn't straight ahead, it isn't there! That's what I meant. More examples, sure! "Time to get up?" "You cook breakfast, I'll do the dishes" Ok everyone, time to eat. Get you cups & have a seat!" Nothing negative about any of those. You guys happy now? Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

WOW Bob! I knew you were inflexible but never really knew how much until now! Fat Old Guy makes a great point! To satisfy those who would like us to no longer use the word my and troop, patrol, unit, etc. together we will now have to post the way Fat Old Guy suggested in his post. The pronoun police are in da house! Yes ownership can be a good thing. If the SPL feels it the troop is "his" he will probably do a better job. Same with the PL regarding the patrol. Do they actually own either? No. It's just a way of saying it. And Bob, you in past posts have refered to units & the like as "yours" or "ours". And there were the "my son's troop". There is nothing wrong with that! Lighten up, man! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10(This message has been edited by evmori)

OGE, No problem with the mixed signals. I think taking ownership can be a good thing. It can give one a sense of accomplishment. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

The CO owns the unit. Aside from that, does it really matter? Ed

Make mine bug juice, please! And make sure there are real bugs in it! And make it the orange stuff! Ed

OGE, I really don't have a lot of experience in what you say. I could list a lot of situation similar to the one I posted but they would probably all sound the same with minor exceptions. And I don't see the need to be so repetitive. Plus, Bob gave us NOTHER EXAMPLE. Bob, Yes protecting someone is a positive thing to do. And so is prayer. Sorry I forgot you are so literal. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

packsaddle, With all dues respect, those things you listed if done in the spirit of fun, aren't hazing. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, Anyone who is registered with the BSA in any capacity is a represenative of the BSA. I think the poster is referring to the paid professionals in the BSA. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

I posted this prior. SPL: OK guys, let's get the truck(s) unlaoded. PL: My patrol, put all our gear on that table over there! Other PL: My patrol, put all our gear under that tree. SM: Mr. SPL, the adults will handle their own gear. SPL: OK. Thanks What's not positive? Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10(This message has been edited by evmori)

What's the big deal! All the poster asked was what religious affiliation you are! Geez! This is not that big of a deal. I'm a presbyterian. I was raised catholic. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

eamonn, I'll add you & the course to my prayer list. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

"While we are on a roll let me remind you I have always said there were positive appropriate applications for "directing" but that too many leaders use directing exclusively, and do not employ the other three leadership styles which are more inclusive of others input and skills and should always be considered before "Directing"." You have given the impression Directing should only be used under dire circumstances or when simple directions like "Bow your head for prayer" are given. This is wher you & I differ. The Directing style can be used in many positive ways. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

People who are so rigid they can't see the forest for the trees! Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Directive Style used in a positive manner. Thanks for the example, Bob.

Merlyn, I'm the one who asked YOU the question. I will not defend my position until you defend yours. And the reason you haven't answered the questions is because you CAN'T defend you position. Doesn't suprise me. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

My Troop, My Patrol! Ownership. Nothing wrong with a PL or SPL taking ownership of what they are responsible for. Makes for a better leader. Ownership doesn't require a bill of sale. One can own something if it is entrusted to their care. And the two QM's in your son's Troop never tell a Scout what to do with a piece of equipment or where to put a piece of equipment? Maybe the conversation goes something like this. Johnny Scout: Mr. QM, where do you want me to put this stove? Qm: Well, Johnny Scout ,where do you think you should put it. Johnny Scout: I guess that depends on whene we will need it. QM: Well, Johnny Scout, when do you think we will need it? Johnny Scout: Probably not until morning. QM: Well, Johnny Scout, why would you say that? Johnny Scout: Because or snack tonight is a cold snack. QM: Well, Johnny Scout, what if the patrol wants hot chocolate? Johnny Scout: Good point. So where do you want me to put this stove? And all that could have been avoided & the rest of the truck could have been unloaded if the QM would have just answered the 1st question Johnny Scout asked by saying "In the supply tent." The directing style of leaderhsip can be used as a positive, Bob. Maybe you should learn the positive side of this style of leadership. It would do you some good. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 (This message has been edited by evmori)

"Every boy in Scouting is there because of the support they receive from their families." While this is a nice statement, it isn't always true. There are parents & guardians that think BSA stands for Baby Sitters of America! They drop their kids off & pick them up and that's it! No support & no help! While I think family camping is ok, I don't feel it should be a monthly event. If it is, what's the difference between Cub & Boy Scouts? Eagle90 posted they have this as an annual event. That's great. Even semi-annual is good. But monthly? Nope. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

OK Merlyn since you won't answer my questions I can only figure you are a sham. Doesn't suprise me. I knew that all along. Merlyn, you can't ask someone to defend their beliefs if you are unwilling to offer proof for yours. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

They don't get up! That's usually what happens.

Wonderful, but the agenda in this case is nothing more than a schedule! It has noting to do with a leadership style. Ed Mori Scoutmaster Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10