evmori

Bob, You posted "Each understood the rule as being that members are not to use drugs, alcohol or tobacco on scout activities. That tobacco is only to be use in restricited areas out of view of the youth, and that leaders are charged with keeping others from using tobacco in front of the youth." And I asked "OK which is it? Not to use or out of view of? You statement is contradictory?" You answered with the text from the G2SS. You didn't answer the question! Fat Old Guy, Yeah I know in some school districts the state of education is in the dumper. However, the school district my daughter is in is one of the top ones in the country and the teachers (for the most part) are excellent! That being said, I think her English teacher would be a good source. Ed Mori

We know it's on the edge! That's the one reason we like it! Ed Mori

I don't think it matters who finds the fundraiser. Ed Mori

Once again Bob, the question I asked was not answered. I know what the G2SS says. I know what the bold print means. And by the way, according to the G2SS, bold type denotes BSA rules & policies. Nothing says these are unalterable. Posting it isn't an answer to my question. I always do what is best for the Scouts. Do you want people to follw BSA policy or your interpertation of that policy? In some cases, there is a difference! My unit upholds this policy & we understand it very well. We have never had the occasion to have to enforce it that I can think of. Ed Mori

OGE, I was waiting for someone to mention that! Actually no. We stress the Bass part! Ed Mori

Bob, No personal attacks. Just an observation as to the way you handle some conflicts on this forum. "Each understood the rule as being that members are not to use drugs, alcohol or tobacco on scout activities. That tobacco is only to be use in restricited areas out of view of the youth, and that leaders are charged with keeping others from using tobacco in front of the youth." OK which is it? Not to use or out of view of? You statement is contradictory? Ed Mori

Bob, I have answered your question twice. How about answering mine? Or are you are just going to let this die again since you didn't get your way? Ed Mori

Bob is absolutly correct! And since the requirement for the 20 nights camping doesn't state when to start counting, the decision is up to the merit badge counselor. Ed Mori

I am a camping MB counselor & I count the days since they joined Boy Scouts. Ed Mori

I'm with OGE. It's up to the Scouts!

Did you try getting ahold of national? You could also scan one in then hit the interenet & find a place that has fonts & see if they can tell you what it is! Ed Mori

No personal attack. Just what I gleaned from your comment. I did answer your question in a previous post. But to be polite, I will answer again. NO. Now if a Scout wanders into the designated smoking area I would not ask everyone there to stop smoking. They are where they are supposed to be. The Scout should be asked to leave. Ed Mori

In my Troop, the adult patrol is know as the Basshole Patrol. One of the adult leaders had a t-shirt with a picture of a bass on it. The t-shirt had a hole in the middle of the bass. Someone made the comment that it was a bass hole. Well, one thing led to another & we now have our ouwn pocket Basshole Patrol t-shirts & a Patrol flag! Ed Mori

Forgot - the mighty Bob White is never wrong! I have discussed this with my daughter's high school English teacher. She says (and this isn't an exact quote as I didn't take notes)the phrase "may not allow" doesn't mean prohibit. It means you may not but you also may. Bob, What does your council, district & local English professional have to say about this? And as for your question, please read my previous post for your answer. Ed Mori

packsaddle, I agree that the wording is again vague but the statement "No street or pavement skating is authorized without helmets." eliminates the vagueness. If the BSA had said "No smoking at events were youth are present." then the same result would be achieved. Bob, I have discussed this with the paid professionals in my district & council & we are all in agreement. None of us endorse smoking in the presence of youth but the wording of the policy in the G2SS doesn't prohibit it, either. Ed Mori

At one camporee I was on staff for, there was a Patrol named "The Idiots Who Camped on the Hill". I thought that was great considering the weather that weekend! Ed Mori(This message has been edited by evmori)

Doesn't make any difference, Bob. Put any word you want in & the meaning is the same! "Adult leaders should support the attitude that young adults are better off without knives and may not allow the use of knives at any BSA activity involving youth participants." Or "Adult leaders should support the attitude that young adults are better off without fire and may not allow the use of fire at any BSA activity involving youth participants." Or "Adult leaders should support the attitude that young adults are better off without dutch ovens and may not allow the use of dutch ovens at any BSA activity involving youth participants." I could go on. Do you read these examples as knives, fire & dutch ovens are prohibited? Ed Mori

I don't disagree with you on this point, Bob. What I do disagree with is the wording. Try this. I can tell you "Bob, I may not allow you to drive my car." That leaves the door open for me to allow you. Same wording in the G2SS. If the BSA wants to prohibit smoking then say "smoking is prohibited when youth are present". Then the controversy goes away. Obviously there is some reason why it isn't worded this way in the G2SS. Ed Mori

I think the dwindling numbers mean that its time to take a break! It's possible that all the adults who want to attend these events have & the influx of new adults hasn't reached a level to keep the attendance numbers up. Maybe switching to every other year would help. Ed Mori

Atta boy, twocubdad! I was thinking along the same line! And after ya smack them around, toss 'em a piece of cheese to go with their whine!

By gum, It sounds like SR540Beaver is right on the money! And dssteele, excellent post! Ed Mori

"These last two statements are from Phillip morris USA's website. They are the opinion of the company that makes more ciggarettes thanm anyone else in the world. So, who are you going to believe?" And Bill Clinton never had relations with that Lewinski women, either! Ed Mori

Bob brings up excellents points! The only thing I can think of is to stick to your guns. You can't let one person dictate how you Pack will be run. Ed Mori

My council has held a University of Scouting since 1989. It started out as Universtiy of Cub Scouting and evolved to include all levels of Scouting. Ed Mori

Trainer of youth.