evmori

Hazing is hazing. If snipe hunts are hazing then so is the OA ordeal!(This message has been edited by evmori)

Trevorum, Your definition of Trustworthy is not the one I would want the Scouts in my Troop or any Troop to learn. Trustworthy doesn't mean "I won't tell". That is deception! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Trevorum, And by being taught to be trustworthy they should realize they no longer meet the membership requirements and quit. There are many organizations that teach similar skills that allow homosexuals & atheists. "Safe" adult? If by that you mean if a Scout divulges to you that they are an atheist or homosexual you won't tell anyone then you are in violation of the Scout law. Not teaching them how to be very Trustworthy now, are you! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

BSA policy leads inevitably to this deception. Huh? The BSA has membership requirements. To become a Boy Scout one must meet these requirements. If one "cheats" to become a member and is caught, one will have their membership revoked. What is so hard to understand? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Practical jokes have been around for a long time and probably will be here long after we are gone. Smoke shifter hunts, snipe hunts, etc. are nothing more than practical jokes! Hazing! I don't think so. And if you feel this is hazing, what about the OA ordeal? If you think snipe hunts & the ilk are hazing then the OA ordeal is hazing. Personally, I feel neither is hazing. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

And people you-know-where want ice water! I agree with the previous posts! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Trevorum, We as Americans are all afforded the same rights! Whether or not a person or organization has tried to take those rights away isn't the same. Have I (white guy) been treated fairly or hated or anything else in your list? Probably! But do I have the same rights regardless? Yes I do! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

How many kids can't tell time unless it's digital? How many kids can't add a column of numbers with out a computer? Tying knots is a skill that once mastered will serve you throughout life! I have used the knots I learned more out of Scouting than I do in Scouting! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10(This message has been edited by evmori)

Fair! Treated unfairly! Who determines what is fair? Is it fair that I pay less for gasoline than someone who lives in California? Is it fair that a member of the Armed Forces can purchase items at a steep discount when I can't? We as Americans are all afforded the same rights. That's fair. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Proud Eagle, That might be a reason but I don't feel it is a legitimate reason. If you are afraid something you post here will cause waves or upset someone in your home unit if they read it, then you shouldn't have posted it in the 1st place. There is no legitimate reason for multiple names in this forum. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Rooster, Excellent post! I miss you participation in these forums. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

When did animals get rights? Did we vote on that? Is it in the Bill of Rights? That's lunch!

I think it is up to the Troop on this one. Mom is not the proper person to sign the requirement. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

HIPPA doesn't apply to the BSA. The medical forms are required to ensure you are fit (or list restrictions) for the type of camping you are doing and to be used as a reference in case a medical emergency arises. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Degenerate an atheist? Is this possible? The BSA will not go away, Merlyn! So you might as well stop shouting at the rain since you just don't get it! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

If every merit badge the Scout earned was signed by the same counselor, what's the big deal? There is nothing in the BSA rules & regs that prohibits this. And if the Eagle candidate is turned down for this reason, then the advancement committee is adding to the requirements which is prohibited. And the Eagle candidate should appeal and will win. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

And the law say those alternatives must be constitutional where? I understand fine, Merlyn. Your constant stating I don't understand when you can't defend you bias is getting old. I don't think you understand. We as Americans are entitled to religious freedom not freedom from religion. You and you ilk want to eliminate God from public life. That will not happen. The citizens of the USA will not let that happen. You are just torked that the BSA is legally allowed to not grant membership to atheists! Too bad so sad! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

Eamonn, Thanks for clearing that up. It sounds like the "one size fits all" Wood Badge isn't working like National planned. Maybe they should go back & revamp the Cub course instead of futzing with the successful Boy Scout course. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

A person committed a crime. The judge gives them the option of jail time or a course. This person doesn't like the course because it is taught by Muslims who demand those in the course to follow their ways. So the person who committed the crime opts for the jail time! Did the judge have to give this person an option? I doubt it! The judge could have just given them the jail time! No rights were stomped on until the ACLU got involved! A crime was committed! Why should the criminal have an option as to what their punishment should be? You continue to state I don't understand the issues yet you refuse to address the real issue. The Supreme Court rule the BSA could set it's own membership standards and you & the ACLU want to persecute the BSA for doing exactly that because it flies in the face of your misguided beliefs! Keep trying. If this was the former USSR, you might have a chance! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

See, Merlyn, this is where you & I differ. If I do the crime I will do the time! You apparently won't! My point as stated before: You want to stop all public institutions from chartering BSA units because the Supreme Court ruled the BSA is a private organization and has the right to set it's own membership standards that don't agree with your beliefs! Sounds like you want special rights to me! Maybe we should call them lefts! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

I took the old Wood Badge and we were placed in patrols. We were to function just like the Scouts in our Troops functioned. What a great experience! We needed to make decisions based on our limited knowledge of each other. What a great idea! Scout leaders learning how patrols function by functioning as a patrol! The BSA should have kept this concept & not combined the Boy Scout & Cub Scout courses. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

Let's see......I committed a crime that carries jail time or a class as a penalty. I refuse the class because it goes against my beliefs so my only other option is jail. Where did I give up my rights? I have the right to appeal & would do that. And once again, Merlyn, you missed my point! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

My district has a limit of 10. They also have a rule that states that a MB counselor can only counsel a single Scout on 5 MB's. AS far as I know, National has no limits on either! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

Merlyn, My answer of "stop going" was in reference to the course run by the Muslims. I would stop going even if this means going to jail. You won't give up your rights but you expect me to give up mine? I have the same rights as you. Yet you want to stop all public institutions from chartering BSA units because the Supreme Court ruled the BSA is a private organization and has the right to set it's own membership standards that don't agree with your beliefs! Sounds like you want special rights to me! Maybe we should call them lefts! And what do you know about morals? Obviously nothing based on the statement in your last post! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!

Merlyn, You continue to question my honesty! I stated I would stop going! And if this meant going to jail, then so be it! And if going to jail is the only other option (which I doubt it is) then I would go to jail! Without compromising my beliefs and getting the ACLU involved this would be my choice! I, unlike you, have morals. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10 A blessed New Year to all!