evmori

Nothing dishonest about my suggestion. Thanks for clearing things up.

Thanks Unc! Merlyn, This isn't about intellect. This isn't about the 1st Amendment. This is about your and the ACLU's agenda. Nothing more. Nothing less. The Supreme Court ruled the BSA is a private organization and can set it's own membership standards. Just because you don't like those standards and are ticked off you lost, you and the ACLU have decided to "stop at nothing" to destroy the BSA. Well, guess what. It ain't gonna happen! All this will do is make you and the ACLU look like ambulance chasers and the BSA like heroes. Thanks for wasting my tax dollars! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Wonder what religion this guy is? Maybe he's an atheist!

Which means a public school couldn't own & operate an atheist youth group! But I would bet that wouldn't bother you would it. Merlyn, No I'm not too dumb to understand legal arguments. You seem to be the one with the intelligence problem! So after you get all the BSA units out of public schools (won't happen), what's next? Are you going to attack the PTA's? Or maybe the GSUSA? It will never end! You and the ACLU do not have the interests of the general public at heart. It is nothing more than a self-serving agenda! So I guess you can't answer the question I posed earlier, can you? The special right I am referring to is no prayer in public schools, no mention of God in any place that is supported by public funds, etc. Those special rights! Duh! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

What you fail to realize Merlyn is I never stated those lawsuits were brought by atheists. And you also fail to realize my rights are the same as yours. You seems to want special rights for atheists! But that along with my other question is something you refuse to address. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

You are correct. Public schools must accept any child that lives within their school district boundaries regardless of race, color, creed, etc. And a public school chartering a BSA unit is in no way condoning religious discrimination! Just the same as a public school sponsoring a GSUSA unit is not condoning gender discrimination! It seems to me, Merlyn, you want special rights for atheists. You want the right not to hear a prayer at a football game or not have intelligent design taught in public schools. Well guess what, I want to hear a prayer at a football game and have the intelligent design taught in public schools! What about my rights! You don't care who you trample on to get what you want! That's how the former USSR was run! Maybe you should move there! They would like you! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10(This message has been edited by evmori)

Thanks, Merlyn, but I really don't want you type of thinking.

Actually, Merlyn, your requirements are about as minimal as they come. Believe in nothing! That requires no intelligence! You, and by you I include the ACLU, have no interest in protecting the American public from 1st Amendment violations! Your sole purpose in these lawsuits is to destroy the BSA. Nothing more. And why? Because you lost the Dale case! If there was a true interest in protecting the American public from discrimination, any and all groups who receive public funds that discriminate in any fashion would be attacked with the vengeance you are attacking the BSA. In the end, the BSA will prevail. And the ACLU will look like a bunch of ambulance chasers. I will continue to pray for you, Merlyn. You surely need it. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Sure they can! The public high school I graduated from has an all white baseball, football and basketball team! And I'll bet there are public high schools that have all black teams, too! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

"Fred, the only ACLU "strategy" is civil rights; public schools can't own & operate Scout units, because they would have to violate the civil rights of their own students to do so." Merlyn, By sponsoring a GSUSA unit, a public school is violating the civil rights of their own students. By allowing ANY group that has membership requirements that eliminate ANY PART of the student body, the students civil rights are violated! And by the same logic, advancement placement and honors classes should be eliminated because they violate the civil rights of those students who are not intelligent enough to meet the requirements of these classes! NOT! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

The separation of church & state is an interpretation of the 1st Amendment. It doesn't really say "the church & state must be separate". And still no one has answered my question - What religion does chartering a BSA unit establish? Merlyn, There are no requirements for school sponsorship. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Torveaux, Very well put! Excellent! Right on the money. Merlyn, You don't meet the BSA membership guidelines so you can't join. One of the reasons our founding fathers came to this country was because of not having religious freedom. The 1st Amendment guarantees us religious freedom. It states the government will not establish a religion! Nowhere does it state the government can't support religion. Support doesn't equal establishment. And I'll ask again since no one answered before, by chartering a BSA unit, what religion is a public school endorsing? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

NJ, It's a stretch to say that ownership of a BSA unit equals condoning discrimination. It is not different than "sponsoring" a GSUSA unit since they discriminate based on gender! And it's a stretch to say chartering a BSA unit is establishing a religion! What religion is established? One of the purposes of the 1st Amendment is to keep the government out of religion, not religion out of government. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

So a public school is violating the 1st Amendment by chartering a BSA unit? In what way is that a violation of the 1st Amendment? And how is this different from a public school chartering a Girl Scout unit? They don't let boys join Girl Scouts! Or is that OK because the Girl Scouts abandoned their moral & allow homosexuals? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

I don't feel we are fighting a losing battle. And by giving in, the ACLU is defining the 1st Amendment to fit their interests, not the interest of the general public. The ACLU has had a bone to pick with the BSA since they lost the Dale case. And it seems they will stop at nothing to destroy the BSA. wyomingi, The Charter Organization actually supplies support for the unit. I don't think there is anything in writing that states this support must be monetary. That is at the discretion of the Charter Organization. My unit is chartered by the United Methodist Church and we receive no monetary support from them. They support us by supplying us with a meeting place & a place to store our gear. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

wyomingi, It doesn't say that anywhere. And how is chartering a BSA unit giving money to a religious organization? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

NJ, This continous witch hunt the ACLU is on has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. The ACLU is trying to find any way it can to harm the BSA. How is this lawsuit in line with the religious freedom we are guaranteed in the 1st Amendment? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Excellent point, Fred! The ACLU never seems to care about the freedom of religion ONLY the freedom FROM religion. I wonder how many church-goers are among the active ACLUers? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

And we should thank Merlyn for compiling that list! The list contains private schools as well as public schools. And we all know private schools can do as they please. Sort of like the ACLU! They do as they please under the guise or protecting our 1st Amendment rights when in reality they are stepping all over them to pick on the BSA! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

1) It's not their responsibility. 2) No time. 3) Laziness.

WOW! And the ACLU thinks this is a benefit to kids? How? Well now they can join NAMBLA! If the ACLU was actually defending the rights of the American people, this would never happen. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Greeneagle, Thank you for your post. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Thanks for your post Rooster. Good article. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

I think a Cub Scout Troop is like a Boy Scout Pack~

Proud Eagle, I've never been to Roy C. Manchester but Heritage has a fantastic lake! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10