evmori

Glad that was cleared up. Thanks for contacting National about this Eagle74.

Based on the strict definition of interfere "To be or create a hindrance or obstacle" I would be in favor of the BSA removing someone. That said, voicing one's opinion doesn't fit the the definition I posted of interfere. Opinions don't create a hindrance or obstacle. Neither does asking for explanations. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, I would be elated to clear up your confusion! But 1st, would you please clarify "behavior becomes a nuisance"? Thanks Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bob, Yes I know one volunteers to join the military. But when you join, you sign up for x years & you get a paycheck. If you leave because you don't like it you will be arrested for being AWOL. Now, one joins the BSA as a volunteer. That's where the similarity ends. No paycheck & the volunteer can leave whenever they want without worrying about being arrested. Like I said before, bad example. Tell me, Bob, what exactly do you see as the issue at hand and where is your confusion? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Learning how to tell others of the fun of scouting and helping your unit grow serves no purpose in the development of the scou? Not the way I have heard or seen the requirement worded. If the Scout says "I did this" that's all he needs to do. No explanation as to who he talked to, what he said, etc. is required. And we can't add or subtract from the requirements now can we. Now if it was required that the Scout write a one page report on his experience, that would make it better. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Acco, A better example using your patriotism model is not using people outside of the military but those VOLUNTEERS who joined it. If you join a branch of the military you are employed by that branch of the military. If you join the BSA, you are a member, not an employee. Completely different. Bad example. And Hunt's questions is still unanswered. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

What exactly is blind about knowing and supporting the program? Nothing. The blindness comes into play when asked to defend your stance, you try to discredit the poster asking the question. Or the impression is given "Because the BSA said so". Hope this helps! Have a nice day! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

I think this http://www.scouting.org/boyscouts/index.html which isn't the same as this. http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-503.html(This message has been edited by evmori)

Just because something is a good idea doesn't mean it should be required. Training is a good idea but it isn't required. Wearing the uniform is a good idea but it isn't required. Not spitting in the wind is a good idea but it isn't required. Why is it a bad idea? Because it serves no purpose in the development of the Scout in the program. Now tell me why you think it is a good idea, Bob. And something other than "because the BSA says so", please. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Excellent! Way to be there for the Scout, TP!

Having a Scout to tell another boy (non-Scout) about his Troop & inviting him to a meeting is a good idea. Making it a rank requirement is not a good idea. Should this be encouraged? By all means. Should it be a requirement for rank? No. Lame at best. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

It would be nice to be notified somehow when changes to publications were made even if it was just a page on National's or you Council web site that listed the publication & the last revision date. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Why would anyone voluntarily choose to belong to an organization who values they do not share. Who do you think you fool besides yourself? Who said the values aren't shared? What posters are saying is the professionals should be setting the example they want us (volunteers) to project. Instead, the person in charge of Youth Protection is a purveyor of kiddie porn and councils are padding membership numbers. Not exactly setting the example, are they. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

If I'm not mistaken, the Scouter who's Troop's declining membership is in question gave reasons for the decline. Yet there was never any mention of the reasons given only the decline. Not very Scoutlike, Mr. White. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Thus, for example, Bob, you still haven't said whether you think it's Scout like for BSA to exclude people from membership simply for disagreeing with rules, even if they are obeying them. I think I can answer this. In my opinion, no it isn't Scout like. But there are those who feel the BSA can do no wrong & will defend it blindly. What I can't stand are people pretending to support the values of scouting when in fact they just wear the uniform that represents Scouting's values when in truth they disagree or reject those values. I don't think anyone has questioned the values of Scouting nor do I think anyone disagrees (maybe Merlyn does) or rejects those values. What posters are questioning is the way the BSA is handling those situations that are giving Scouting a bad name. It seems all we as volunteers want is for the BSA to practice what they preach & what they want us to preach. And to clue in those of us on the front lines as to why they are doing what they are doing. "Just because" isn't a good answer. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10(This message has been edited by evmori)

So... are there any OTHER new versions of critical pubs that you know of and which our local professionals may not have told us about? (evidently we need to discover this stuff via word of mouth!) And this is surprising? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Why would you criticize the BSA for bad press? Do you actually believe that the BSA controls what the press does? No the BSA doesn't control the press. What they should control is the professionals they employ. Isn't a flurry just a short burst not a prolonged activity. Correct statement. But flurries can do a lot of damage. Do you really think that the program does more harm than good...and yet you remain a volunteer in it? Never said anything like that. Once again, wrong interpretation. Is it really more important to some that they be seen as a member of scouting yet secretly disagree with its values and policies. Where is the honor in that? What secret? Not mine. Maybe yours. You think you know where I stand. No one said the BSA was perfect. How much better are you to choose to be a member yet not support it? Some have given the impression the BSA can do no wrong. And your question exemplifies that. I am no better than you and you are no better than me. And I have never posted I don't support the BSA. I just don't support it blindly. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Give it up Merlyn! You don't even have a good argument! Now you can attack me instead of challenging my statement. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Those who criticize the BSA for the recent flurry of bad press care more about the BSA than those who think the BSA can do no wrong! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

BW gives good advice. After the meeting, explain to the SPL ways he could handle the situation from where he stands. Good job not getting in the middle! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Greg, If you are using that passage to justify you actions or condemn my comments, then you don't understand the passage. I refer you to Romans 1:18-32. It is more applicable in your situation. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Like some others have posted, training is a must! And most of what you have is already part of the BSA program! And some has no part in the BSA program. Remember, this is for the boys! If you keep piling on the restrictions you won't have any boys. I hope fun is a good enough purpose for a trip cause if it isn't then why go? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

If the BSA is doing nothing to correct these wrongs, then it is a BSA problem. It really sounds as if everyone is at fault from the top to the bottom. But it does seem unintentional. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Everyone seems to forget that horrendous acts of violence committed by the Indians as well. Maybe because we were trying to take over their land & they were defending it? If we don't learn form our mistakes we are destined to repeat them. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

To answer the original question - SM's get the support they want. Some extend the boundaries of the job description & take on other duties. Some don't do the minimum. Problems in units isn't always the fault of the adult leadership as some posters believe. There are so many other factors involved it isn't even logical to think that way. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10