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SO it's OK for the football team to legally discriminate & it's OK for the band to legally discriminate but it's not OK for the BSA to legally discriminate even though all three are school groups? WOW! Isn't that discrimination? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Here's the requirement While a Star Scout, take part in service projects totaling at least six hours of work. These projects must be approved by your Scoutmaster. Let's break it down. While a Star Scout, take part in service projects totaling at least six hours of work. 1st is the rank requirement. The Scout must be the rank of Star. 2nd the Star Scout must take part in service projects. This doesn't say lead or show leadership in just take part in. These projects must be approved by your Scoutmaster. The projects must be approved. Not what the Scout will be doing in the project but the projects themselves. Leadership isn't mentioned anywhere. So for a SM to not approve a service project for rank other than Eagle because the Scout isn't leading it or showing leadership is adding to the requirements. No interpretation just fact. And what gliski's Troop is doing is adding to the requirements. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Not true at all. If the public school is the chartering organization, it's a school program, just like any other extracurricular school program, and like every other school program, students can't be excluded for being atheists. And the football team is also a school program. But they legally discriminate based of talent! And the band legally discriminates based on musical ability! And the BSA legally discriminates against atheists. Legally. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

LongHaul, You are absolutely correct when you say "the SM must approve the project." The project. And all the Scout has to do is "take part in" the project. Requiring leadership is adding to the requirements. There is no interpretation by anyone! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

So same sex marriage is OK with you! Watch as the fiber of humanity is ripped to shreds. This is as important - NO - more important than social security. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

I agree scoutldr. My only question is why did they send them to their tents if they were indoors already? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Ed, the BSA can exclude atheists because it's a private organization; public schools aren't private organizations, and they can't run youth groups that exclude atheists. Why can't they? What law are they violating? Why not exclude Girl Scouts since they only accept girls as members? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

So, OGE, you think same sex marriage is OK? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Completely wrong. Public schools aren't private organizations. And this violates what? And I'll ask again, what rights of yours are being violated, Merlyn? And why won't you stand 100% behind the membership numbers of the groups you belong to? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Three key words - take part in - not show leadership in. The requirement is for a Scout to participate in a service project approved by the SM. The project is approved, not the Scout's role in the project. If the Scout leads the project great! If he assumes a leadership role during the project great! But requiring the Scout to lead or show leadership for a service project for rank other than Eagle is adding to the requirement and that is forbidden. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Atheists have the same civil right as Catholics, Jews, Methodists, dentists & Nazis! And let's not forget the SCOTUS ruled the BSA was well within it's Constitutional rights for kicking atheists out. And a public school chartering a BSA unit is not a violation of anything except your opinion, Merlyn. What civil right of yours are being denied, Merlyn? And why won't you stand behind 100% behind the membership numbers of the groups you belong to? Oh yeah I know I'm a liar and I can't learn! Slash & slander, Merlyn. That's all you're good at! You should be a politician! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Take out the word leadership & that's what a service project should be. It is up to the SM to approve the project prior to starting. And the service project might be an annual Troop project or Beaver Day. Here's the requirements For the Second Class rank, a Scout must participate in a service project or projects approved by his Scoutmaster. The time of service must be a minimum of one hour. This project prepares a Scout for the more involved service projects he must perform for the Star, Life, and Eagle Scout ranks. (Source: 33088D - page 26) For Star and Life ranks, a Scout must perform 6 hours of service to others. This may be done as an individual project or as a member of a patrol or troop project. Star and Life service projects may be approved for Scouts assisting on Eagle service projects. The Scoutmaster approves the project before it is started. (Source: 33215F - page 20) Pretty straight forward. Ed Mori Troop 1 Peter 4:10

WOW! Hard to believe! I'm dumbfounded! I guess, SaintCad, there is no way to make you understand. What I posted is backed by others. Where is your back-up research? Thanks for the forgiveness but I haven't posted any insults. Bobanon, Thanks for supplying the titles, but I don't read much fiction. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Who is the service project for? Is this part of his summer time job? Why is he being aid? Does this service project fit Leadership service projects shall be meaningful service not normally expected of a Scout as a part of his school, religious, or community activities. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

It's your list Merlyn. You only point in not editing it was you wanted to inflate the numbers in your favor. I pointed out, as did others, there were errors but you refuse to do the leg work to correct it. And you source was questioned on the membership numbers & you never listed it. Yeah the data came from an anti-BSA site so one would expect them to be slanted against the BSA. I'd bet you did no research before you posted those numbers. I don't lie Merlyn. Nor do I post figures as fact without verifying the source as valid. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

SaintCad, Last time! What part of "different account of the same event" don't you understand? The explanations I gave you are widely accepted by others who know and study the Bible. And actually, the knowledge you have shown is more than Sunday School knowledge. It's right up there with someone who knows how to surf the web & find stuff. There is a total lack of understanding. And I didn't ask to be forgiven nor do I expect to be. Now, I am done. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

John-in-KC, Excellent post! Thanks, brother. DanKroh, The only thing I can think of is it's his opinion. And opinions are neither right or wrong! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Here's a little about the author of the article in question. One of the nation's leading experts in constitutional law, Douglas W. Kmiec is professor of Constitutional law and Caruso Family Chair in Constitutional Law at Pepperdine University School of Law. Previously, he served as the dean and St. Thomas More Professor of Law and The Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Prior to that post, he taught constitutional law at the University of Notre Dame for nearly two decades and directed Notre Dame's Center on Law and Government, where he founded the Journal of Law, Ethics & Public Policy. Dean Kmiec has authored or co-authored numerous books and articles on constitutional issues and the role of the U.S. Supreme Court. These include books co-authored with distinguished legal historian Stephen B. Presser - The American Constitutional Order, Individual Rights and the American Constitution, and The History, Structure and Philosophy of the American Constitution. In addition, he is a highly sought after national lecturer on Catholic social teaching and public issues, especially concerning the importance of family as moral educator. From 1985 to 1989. Professor Kmiec served in the Reagan and Bush administrations and headed the Office of Legal Counsel in the U.S. Department of Justice, a position once held by Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Associate Justice Antonin Scalia. His legal career also includes the coveted White House Fellowship, two Distinguished Service Awards, recognition as a 40th anniversary Distinguished Fulbright Scholar for his law teaching in Kuala Lumpur and Hong Kong, and the Attorney General's Edmund J. Randolph Award. Kmiec is regularly sought out for evaluation of constitutional cases on PBS's News Hour with Jim Lehrer as well as various National Public Radio programs, such as Talk of the Nation. His legal analyses frequently appear in the Washington Post, the National Law Journal, the Los Angeles Times, and the Wall Street Journal. A native of Chicago, he wrote a regular column for the Chicago Tribune. Kmiec received his bachelor's degree with honors, from Northwestern University and his law degree from the University of Southern California (USC). At USC, he was selected for the school's Law Review and received the Legion Lex Commencement Prize for Legal Writing in 1976.

What tactics have I employed that are the same as Kmiec's? Let's take a look at your public school list. Not all schools on that list are public schools but you led folks to believe the list was accurate even though you know it isn't. Misleading information posted as fact! And let us not forget those membership numbers you posted but had absolutely no proof were accurate yet you posted them as though their were accurate. Misleading information posted as fact again! Why? To use the shock factor so people will think they are true! WOW All those public schools charter BSA units? Membership slipped 25% - what's going on? Just like reading the tabloids! Lots of words but very little accuracy. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

How many posters on this forum have you called liars, Merlyn? And your original post stated I can only conclude that he's deliberately lying. 'Nuf said! Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Slash & slander!

Bobanon, Neither of your three reasons is valid. SaintCad, I'm done! Maybe you should go back to your Poker discussion & gaming forums. You probably know more about them than you do about this topic. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

No Merlyn, I'm not accusing you of lying. I would never stoop that low. My point, which you missed, is you don't like it when someone employs the same tactics you employ! Don't look in the mirror much do ya? Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

Bobanon, So you have no proof. Thought so. SaintCad, Many times, only the spokesman is noted & his accompanying figure us not mentioned. No contradictions, different accounts of the same story. Judas Iscariot hung himself and when he was either cut down or fell from where he hung himself, his guts fell out. Ed Mori Troop 1 1 Peter 4:10

The post is calling the kettle black!