Eagledad

>>One year at camp, I taught Lifesaving MB and I was called a few unScoutlike names by both youth and adults b/c #1 I wanted the MB skills to be mastered before signing off,

>>Took 20 years to become melanoma.

>>I also hear that the staff barracks have AC and the ticks are really bad. Already issues with dehydration, so tell all your Scouts to start drinking water NOW and don't wait until they arrive Monday.

>>That means marching in parades, doing regular service projects, serving as color guard for Little League opening day ceremonies, volunteering to lead tours at the local nature center, putting on public Scout skills demonstrations in the town park (signaling, fire by friction, monkey bridge, survival shelters, just to name a few things with a built-in cool factor), running a younger kids' free fishing derby... etc.

Same problem on Philmont treks, adults not being "the" adult when the scouts are doing the adult responsibilities is a skill that has to be practiced. And that is only if the adults want that skill. It gets worse if the project isn't going well because adults don't want to take two steps back. I remember eating one mile of trail before the crew leader realize his mistake. What I started doing as the SM was have a meeting with the lead adult working on the eagle projects or treks and instruct them of their behavior that was expected by the troop. Sometimes that might even be a parent, which makes it harder. In the case of an Eagle Project, it was the lead adult's responsibility to meet with all the other adults before the project that the scout was the boss, and to remind them during the project. Even with that, its hard to stop. I also find that if the SM doesn't guide or support boy led to the adults, nobody else really can make it happen. Barry

log spliter

>>I use the BSA hiking sock worn if actually hiking I wear them pushed down around the ankle, it keeps them little stones from finding their way into the boot that way. AK-Eagle

>>What pearls of wisdom can be given on this?

I had melanoma cancer back in 1990, so I try to watch myself in the sun. As a result, I became known as the hat expert (nut?) in our pack and troop. I have just about all the hats the BSA offers including several of their special addition hats that are still wrapped in plastic bags. But for the sunny hot two weeks treks of backpacking or boundary waters canoeing, I dont care much for the BSA hats. I need a wider brim hat that can take a beating. My favorite BSA hat is my campaign hat, but I never wore it. It was a gift from the pack and I wore it for cubs a few times, but I dont like to stick out and wearing that hat made me feel as if I was 10 feet tall. Still, I will always keep that hat because it reminds of everything good about scouting. Now our scouts like the military boony hats. They are cheap, durable and can be packed anywhere. That is if I can get the scouts to wear a hat. They unfortunately suffered under an adult leader who was concerned for their skin. Two things I seem to harp on more than I should was sun screen and head gear. My scouts never got a bad sun burn, but Im not sure that is something a boy run leader should be bragging about. One last thing. When I took over as the Cub Master of our pack, I found that the pack lost 50% of our first year Webelos and 90% of Webelos IIs. My goal was not only to change the trend of crossovering 90% of first year Webelos to Webelos IIs, but to cross 90% of them into the Troops. We tried many ideas, but one of them was the Webelos got to wear a boony hat to identify them as the older scouts of the pack. Each Webelos Den went to the Surplus store and chose their style and color of camo. So not only did they wear a different hat, but it had a different color than any other year of Webelos. I know it was camo and shouldnt have been, and it wasnt BSA, but it worked. Our Webelos felt special and our Bears couldnt wait to get that cool looking hats. That was 1993 and I hear the pack still has that tradition. I watched those scouts wear that boony hat all the way to their scouting career. I saw one on the Eagle.s disply table at his ECOH. I even saw some pictures of the hats on Church youth trips. Someof the adults still wear those hats on our church outtings. Sometimes the BSA just misses out on cool. Barry

>>Pretending it isn't a problem doesn't make it so.

You remind me of my first year as a scouter when we took our Webelos to summer camp. One of the mothers of anther Webelos den was very attractive by the opinions of most of the males and very comfortable with the attention she was getting from the Boy Scout age male staff. It created enough of a stir that a complaint was given to the camp director of the less attentive life guards in the swimming area when this den leader's den was down there. I also had a friend who quit their Venture Crew because he was tired of dealing with scouts sneaking to other tents in the middle of the night. He kept his tent between the boys and the girls to stop the late night visits, but he never got any sleep. And then finally, I was talking to a professional a few years back joking about such problems in coed programs and he told me that there are what they call "boy scout babies" in our Council. Its not as easy as it sounds. I found volunteering at church youth camp a very exhausting job for the same reason. Barry

>>The idea that only atheists obnoxious enough to state that they're atheists are kept out is a false one to put a better face on the BSA's religious requirements.

>>Is James Dale gay?

All my questions are genuine, your just not use to folks who think in learning and educating. I also do have a complex about getting the last word. But I must admit, I still don't see your point. So, FOR MY EDUCATION let me ask: Is James Dale gay?

So since you have to refer to gays to get the final word on the atheist question, it's safe to say you don't know of any athiest who was accepted into the BSA after admitting they were an atheist on their application. So its final, Beavah explination of the real world reality stands. Barry

Dale Case? The gay guy? OK, here is what you wrote "The idea that only ""atheists"" obnoxious enough to state that they're ""atheists"" are kept out is a false one to put a better face on the BSA's religious requirements." I will just assume that you are probably a busy activist working several forums and got confused, so here is the question asked so that you only have to respond quickly with one word. Do you know of an application the BSA knowingly accepted with the "atheist" box checked? Barry

>>The idea that only atheists obnoxious enough to state that they're atheists are kept out is a false one to put a better face on the BSA's religious requirements.

>>However, we do occasionally have a few parents who want to push an agenda through their children, eh?

>>Whatever happened to ASPL taking over when SPL wasn't able to attend?

>>The reason we do that instead of a full year is that a lot of our Scouts (and most of our best leaders) are in other activities throughout the year.

>>It would provide an opportunity for other adults (and perhaps the appropriate dad/mom/uncle) to involve themselves in program. It would get the patrol mostly working on cooking, rather than dining hall style service. It would reinforce scouts skills of camping, which is a plus. Based upon my family experiences it would simply be fun for the scouts! Since we dont have enough older scouts to do a high adventure trek (Philmont, Northern Tier, etc), it would be a less expensive way to have a more adventurous experience for all our scouts. None of these reasons alone are sufficient motivation to do a camp like this, but when you put everything together, it just makes sense. Also the bonus (which I would certainly hope for) is the bonding and camaraderie which might result from this type of experience. BP said that advancement is like a suntan, it is something which naturally occurs when being in the out of doors. I think the analogy would apply to the growth experience of this type of adventure as well: the camaraderie is not the goal, but it will happen naturally in this environment.

>>Interesting twist. We now have scouters claiming that atheist boys can join BSA but not adults?

>>I would hope that most camp staffs would welcome the opportunity to support a troop or patrol's program instead of just pushing the merit badge pathway.

>>Barry Once you see and feel these new shirts you will quickly change your mind

Well after reading your post a couple of times, I think it is very do-able. I have a bit of experience in this stuff and your view of it it sounds pretty good. Im not sure of your motivation however. Are you trying to get a bit more of the skills and badges part of the program you missed at camp? Motivation is important because this is going to requires a few months of dedicated planning by EVERYONE. To make it more difficult for you, you wont have the older scouts to help. We ran our own Webelos Summer camp, so I have a bit of a feel for not having older scouts around. It won't be a big deal once everyone gets into a routine. Your biggest logistic challenge will be food. We rented a large U-Haul trailer to store our many ice chest of food, and we still made daily trips to a nearby town for fresh meats, vegetables and ICE. You will need a Quartermaster and adult assistant just for the food alone. I will say this, you are looking at the short term benefits of this activity, but my experience is our program maturity accelerated four times faster than a normal troop program. You are condensing and forcing a coouple years of program into a few months. Both the adults and scouts will grow in this one activity. It is rewarding and very bonding for the whole group, but you will earn it with hard work and stress. It will be a long week, so plan plenty of fun time for everyone to decompress. Beating the adults in Whiffleball followed with watermelon seems very popular for some reason. Once you do this, you and your adults will not be able to keep up with the scouts because they will have learned that if you can dream it, it can happen. They will dream up a lot things. That is when you will really love this scouting stuff. Barry