Eagle92

Yes it does not make sense. I don't udnerstand why you have to go through YPT since you are still a "youth" in both the OA and Venturing. But if it's a requirement for you to go to NOAC, then it's wortht the 20-30 minutes of your time to do it online. As I said, use it to your advantage. I remember going to a conclave as a GASer, and I had both my troop's uniform (adult) and ship's uniform (youth) with me. I went patch trading one nite at a conclave and had the "patch police" coming after me, being rather rude,a nd saying I'm not allowed to trade with" youth, despite being one myself according to the OA. SSSSOOOOO I went upstairs, put on my Sea Scout uniform, and went back down to finish trading.

And the Jambo shoulder loops are also stupid. And since it used the boy scout loop colors, really the only people who should be wearing them are those in Boy Scout Troops. Not district/council scouters, etc. Tell that to the council pros I knowwearing 'em.

Welcome to GASerhood (Gray Area Scouter). uit don't make since, but use it to your advantage, i.e trading patchesa More later.

If memory serves, it is possible, BUT you will have to pay the registration fee for each council. AND you can only be registered with 1 OA lodge. I got a friend registered in 2 councils at the moment. And at one point, I thought I was going to be registered with two as well since my boss found out I'm a trained Explorer adviser, and the post needed one. Luckily that fell to someone as the post meets the same nite as my pack.

Rat, Respectfully disagree about the WC being a gee gaw. I think if people understood what it means as their is A LOT, and I do mean A LOT of symbolism in the badge. Plus it is one badge where, no matter where in the world you go, That is one badge we all have in common. Plus for me it's something that I earned back in the day. Now the centennial ring I'm with you on. I'd like to knwo who's crazy idea it was. That idiotic decision is on par with having special jambo shoulder loops,and changing the unit number colors IMHO. Problem is, My shirt has been worn so much with it on, I bet it the material underneath it is darker than the rest of the shirt. Thankfully I only got 1 ring on any of my uniforms.

Contact the chapter or lodge, fill out the registration and pay his dues. And if he has any cards or records bring them as well just in case. Unfortunately we had a guy try to say he was not only an Arrowman, but a Vigil member to boot. When national stated they had no record of him as a Vigil, he stated he was Brotherhood instead, getting confused. Probelm was when asked about his Ordeal, he couldn't remember a thing.

May the uniform police interject Actually I have found that national recognizes a total of 10, stressing 10 different uniforms. the Field and Activity uniforms have already addressed. Then there is the Dress Uniform, aka pro uniform since mostly pros wear it, although anyone, youth or adult can. that's int eh IG. Then you got the 6 different uniforms for Sea Scouts and Leaders: dungarees, white crackerjacks and blue crackerjacks for youth, working khakis, dress blues and dress whites for QMs and adults. That's listed in the Sea Scout manual. FINALLY you got the "Camp Uniform" that I've only seen mention in NCS Cub Day camp literature. Camp Uniform consists of day camp t-shirt only. Any pants socks, etc may be worn. And Cubs can salute etc in it. Again That's in NCS literature and specific to Cubs.

Emb, My bad, I misread your statement. Also in regards to the centennial, as well as the jambo rings, one of the problems is that no OFFICIAL, and I stress official, word has come out on it. And trust me I've asked. I know Black Eagle says it could only be worn from Aug 2009- July 2011 I believe, but SCOUTSTUFF folks on FB said that it can be worn forever, including by Sea Scouts ( yes I asked about them too). Don't know about you and others, but national's communications with the folks in the field has been pretty shabby lately IMHO. As well as amongst themselves. Best example I can give of that is the National training folks A) making everyone retake basic training in order to be considered "trained" and for JTE purposes, which was later rescinded, and B) Training folks not realizing that there are 2 different trained strips: a green and tan for BS leaders, and a red and tan for CS and Venturing leaders. No idea which color commissioners are suppose to wear. They were saying it didn't matter which color you used, and I asked if that's the case with unit numbers as well since the IG states red for CS, green for BS. Also has anyone else noticed the wrong info, quotes, and lack of info in the new BSHB?

HOLY QUACAMOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should have several FA MBCs in a district.

Box, One of the temp patches I have shows a Scouter with hands in pockets, shrugging, withthe caption : "Don't ask me, I'm only a leader." I LOVE THAT PATCH!!!!!!!!

1996, Yep I remember the 3" rule and I have one shirt that still has it in that spot. EMB, While ADULT size shirts may not be a problem, you forget about the YOUTH size shirts. As y'all know, I am a "uniform policeman" having come from a unit with a stong uniform culture, working for national, and being asked to do uniform inspections. Plus you gotta read my posts in the "...You Might be a Uniform Policeman." thread. Anyway when I sewed on my son's WC, as well as his Centennial Ring, the amount of space does NOT allow me to sew on his religious award knot. Luckily he will be a Webelos in June and getting a new shirt, and it looks as if the WC will NOT be in the correct spot centered 1/2 way between the top of the pocket and seam, but about 1/4-1/2 inch higher to accomidate the knot. BOX, I have to agree with Emb in regards to my XL shirt as well. My WC is Exactly 1/2 way between the pocket and shoulder seam, and I have room for the row of knots I now have to sew on, and another row, for a total of 4 rows, or 12 knots. But as I mentioned above, my son has no room for his religious knot currently. Also if I don't wear a necker, and I very rarely do not wear one, the the WC is coverd up by the collar.

Unfortunately times are hard right now, and I am afraid it will get harder in the near future. I know I sold some things that meant a lot to me when I was in grad school. I also know that after Hurricane Katrina, there were some things of my grandmother's that were sold. Luckily before anything was sold, the family went through it and we all had a chance to get what we wanted. Except me. I wanted her awesome meatball recipe, and she never wrote it down anywhere. Then again it was probably a good thing that recipe was not found as there would have been a major fight amongst us grandkids.

Sorry, scouting jargon. It's a habit. POR = Position of Responsibility. that the leadership a scout has, i.e. PL, ASPL, SPL, Quartermaster (QM) Librarian (Lib) Instructor (Ins), etc. Actually you'd be surprised at what the 2nd year folks can do. Teaching the T-2-1 first aid skills is a requirement for FA MB, and once upon a time FA MB was required for First Class. Also if you look in the older literature, and I think the Guide to Advancement (GtA or G2A) even states that teaching a skill is a good way to learn it.

I agree with Base 110% on having the SM or SPL sign off on your son's advancement. I'd also add any of the older scouts approved by the SM to do so. I can think of only 1 time that a dad signed off of any advancement for his son and there was not any loose talk or hard feelings. That was b/c dad was the only MBC in the council for the MB and son took it in a group setting. Heck dad was the only person I ever met who was qualified to teach the MB in all the councils I've been in.

While I might put one of those patches in my collection, I wouldn't wear a PM on my uniform. I'm too much of a Uniform Policeman to do it

I'm old school so I will go against the NSP concept. My troop used the mixed patrol model. New scouts joined an existing patrol. Within each patrol, they would "buddy up" with another scout, could be a year older, could be 3 years older, but a scout who has a good grounding in the basic scout skills and can work with someone. The only time we used NSPs they were flops and the troop went back to the mixed age patrol Now the older scouts, usually 14 or older and had served a term or two as PL formed a separate patrol that did the teaching, ran the troop, and held troop level PORs. Back then it was called the Leadership Corps, and every now and then, about 2-3 times a year they did their own thing.

'732, That won't change by moving into another council. That's everywhere,

IF the troop has been having elections AND no adults knew the process for nominating an adult, then that is an issue with the OA chapter's election team. That should be something that is discussed. I know I have personally picked up nominating forms from troop CC's so the unit's adults would eb surprised when Called Out.

Scoutbox is correct, a certain percentage of the patches does go to WOSM. ALSO I remember being told, although this wasn't from a supply person, that the BSA doesn't own the copyright or patent for the patch, and thus cannot produce it automatically on the shirt. I remember earning my in 1987 when my troop sponsored some Canadians for summer camp. THAT WAS FUN!!!! The council made a special edition summer camp patch for just that week of camp,and the members of the three units who hosted the Canadians got the WC as well. As I mentioned I was in the middle of a trip going to Canada when the policy was changed. The leaders knew we were going to be upset and broke the news gently to us. Once we met the "old" requirements they gave everyone of us a WC that they obtained from Scouts Canada, which has a velvet background.

When I worked for national Supply, this was the answer I got in regards to the WC. Because of where it is suppose to be worn, 1/2 way between the left pocket and the shoulder seam, depending upon the size of the shirt, it could be right on the pccket, and not allow any knots to be worn (think Cubs and religious knot) or so high up that it is not seen because it is under the collar of folks who do not wear neckerchiefs. Also for some adults with a bunch of knots, the WC would need to be adjusted. I saw one adult leader with that situation, and dependng upon the size of the shirt, I could see that happening for some of the smaller leaders. EDITED: I also asked that question as I offered it as a suggestion to improve service. At least the American flag comes with the shirt already sewn on. I remember when it was bought separately, and Cub wore it over the right pocket.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

WWWWWWEEEEELLLLL it depends. ( in my best DOCTOR impersonation) A few years back, there was a problem with all BSA immediate recognition kits, and they were recalled. Units were suppose to make their own until new ones came in. So the make your own are "vintage"

OH YEAH Mike, aka Black Eagle, is awesome in regards to uniforming info.

One of the reasons for "difficulty with impulse control" is that most kids these days do not have responsibilities with consequences. Example of controlling impulses: ever notice kids will spend their parents money like water, but give them money to spend they takle their sweet old time? And while you cite research by neurologists, you forget to add that other neurologists disagree with the research and state other age categories that have the same brain wave patterns.

One of the things about the World Crest (WC) is that as of August 1, 1989, the WC was no longer an award that was earned by either A) going out of the country for a minimum of 5 or 6 days for a scouting function with foreign scouts or B) Hosting a foreign scout for 5 or 6 days for a scouting function. Since Aug. 1 1989 EVERYONE wears it. So until Aug 1, few folks wore it as it had to be earned. And I knwo that a bunch of us who had earned it, and others who were in middle of a trip when Aug. 1 hit were not happy campers. Now hears the deal, sometimes BSA literature doesn't get updated as it should, even when revised. And that does include the Insignia Guide, known in Supply as the "uniform bible." And sometimes the IG has mistakes in it. If memory serves, a lot of the Sea Scout info in it is now wrong since 2002. Also BSA literature doesn't always agree with one another. Best example is the joining requirements to be a Boy Scout. In one place you have one set of requirements, where it's possible for anyone including an 8yo who has completed 5th grade to be a Boy Scout, and another place says 10 AND completed 5th grade. Now in regards to the IG and uniform inspections sheets,you would think they agree, but they don't. The sheet is correct it's a "required patch." But as some folks who will get into a whole lot more semantic will say, NONE of the patches are required as a uniform is not required.

Some thoughts on changing. 1) If you move to a new council, unless it is a merger ,i.e. Michigan, or some type of council reorganization, i.e. New Orleans Area Council Serving 11 parishes in LA and 1 county in MS turing into Southeast Lousiana Council serving 11 parishes in LA and giving the MS county it had served to Pine Burr, you will lose vet status., i.e. how many years the unto has been around. If your an old unit, that may be something you don't want to do. 2) Changing councils, while may be a short term benefit, may turn into a long term. From district mergers and what not, having to learn new dynamics and folks can led to challenges. Where you might get some support in your current council, you may get none in your new one.