Eagle92

Hawk, I wish that was the case, and believe me many a pro wishes it was so, especially with s "challenging" SE, but that is not the case. #1 reason I quit and became a volunteer again.

I have to disagree with the Beaveah here, because the school's I've been associated with DO calculate band and PE into the GPA And I've known people have missed out on being Valedictorian because of PE. Also at the college I used to work at, they did NOT modify the GPAs to exclude PE and band. So they are not 'joke" classes. Also When I did my undergrad, the toughest program at the university was the School of Music. All the vsarious school had the max full time at 18 hours EXCEPT the School of music, which was 21 credits. The reason was that there was no way a student could complete the curriculum in 4 years unless the did 21 hours every semester after their first year. In fact I broke up with a girl because she spent all available free time practicing. So don't think music is a "joke'

As a former pro, I can tell you that Eamonn is correct. A DE works for the SE, not the region, not national. HOWEVER regional approves moves, and national sets the payscale, provides training, and provides benefit programs that local council pay for.

The poster about scheduling in spetember reminded me that no matter when you choose an event, there will always be a conflict. Point in case, in my old troop we had scouts attending 7 different private schools, each with their own calender, and 4 of the public schools. Talk about a challenging planning session as we had to work arround essentially 9 different school calenders (the Public MS and HS calendrs had some differences). BUT it can eb done!

We had a strict policy with my old troop in that if you were not at the meeting location for the trip on time, we left without the scout. It was his responsibilty. Further if you had to leave early, It was the scout's responsibility to make arrangements AND notify the PL or ASPL, depending upon who the scout was. As for meetings and COHs, you better have the correct uniform on. Summer was "class B" and winter was "class A" Now if you showed up late to a meeting b/c of extracurriculars, you better bring your full uniform on a hanger and change into it for the meeting. We had varsity players and bandsmen showing up in their sports/band uniform, and change into their scout uniform in the bathroom for the meeting. My personal experience with the above policy was my ring ceremony and dance. A friend's ECOH was the same day as my HS ring ceremony. It worked out though. I went to the ceremony in coat and tie with my date, then went straight to the ECOH and changed into my scout uniform. Once the ceremony was done and my date and I had some food, I changed yet again into coat and tie and went to the ring dance. If you have clear expectations, scouts will abide by them.

Yep band members get grades for their performances, so miss a game or pareade, and the grade goes down. As for sports, some schools consider varsity sports as a PE. So you need to make practices and games to make the grade as well. That way the "free period" is taken up with HW. Once the season is over with, then their normal PE class resumes. Now it is possible to hold eagle required PORs and be active in extracurriculars. Time and planning are must, and you will NOT be in the top positions. I knwo quite a few scouts who did it, and I also did it.

The new inspection sheets do not who the tricolors and patrol medallion. I don't think it's an option as the patrol mediallion was covered up when they did authorize both the tricolor and the medallion 9 years ago.

haven't read the entire post, don't have time at the moment, but at one time there was a Lodge Cjhief and Chapter Chief POR patches. Unfortunately the group that decides on insignia didn't approve it before Supply started issuing them that's why it's a collector item as they were supposed to be destroyed. I do know that some were thrown away, only to have some folks do some dumpster diving to retrieve them. My question is this, if there is now a VOA president patch for the senior council venturing youth, why not a lodge chief POR. I've seen repros worn, with no unit insignia and silver loops. I've also seen LC and CC wear Council Exec Comm. abd Distr. comm. insigina with silver. My current CC wears silver and has Dist Committee POR on as he is the youth representative on the DC,.

GWD, Once upon a time National sold pants, shorts, skirts, and cullottes in both the blue and the green for the ladies. Being a guy I couldn't understand why all those items in stock as they took up space,which was at a premium at my old store, and were a pain in the buttocks when inventory time came along.

You'll be surprised. While not a #1 seller, I did sell about 1 a month or so back in the day. Too bas they did away with eh CS leader skirt, my wife was looking for one.

First off the the CO can tell you whether to keep it single sex, or coed. Secondly if the CO doesn't care, then the youth who are organizing the crew can decide. My old troop started a Venturing Crew that was boys only. The youth who started it decided that issue, and wrote it into the by-laws.

Sarge, In my limited expereince with CS, 3 years as one, and three years as a DC, plus my years with supply each den has it's own flag, usually the standard blue flag from supply with an iron on number. Now I have seen a few custom flags at packs. As for Webelos, each den decides on whether to keep the number, or get a name. If a number, then I'ld keep the same number abd get the webelos den flag, if they still make them. Then the CSs can keep the den number on the uniform. If they go with a name, then they need to make a custom flag, with the emblem on it. They can wear the patrol medallion if they do not wear the tricolors. Unfortunately they don't wear a patrol medallion with the tricolors as it would be covered by the tricolors. http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/images/pdfs/34760.pdf

Sarge, I hear ya. I am trying to point out the inconsistancies that are coming out of supply as it is causing confusion among experienced and new leaders alike, at least in my area. Again it makes it appear that the new uniform came out hapazardly. Then when you get the terminology like "official shirt" and "official uniform shirt," it makes it appear that two shirts are needed, one for activities, and one for ceremonies and meetings. Again it can be confusing for the new leaders/scouts/parents.

My troop also did custom neckers, so the leaders wore them as well. I agree that the SD neckers are a tad bit small. Thanks for the heads up as I was thinking about buying a CS leader one in the hopes that therye were bigger. I think I might stick with some of the ones I already own, especially the European ones. As for why neckers are optional for leaders, I don't really know. I personally like the neckers as they are really associated with Scouts. I do know of one troop that enforces a neckware policy for all members, including adults, at their formal activities. Scouts in neckers, adults in ties. And they have a supply of ties that they lend out since they are no logner made. My old troop also had the necker required for all members for COHs.

Greaves From the Guide to Safe Scouting, via the online version found here: http://www.scouting.org/healthandsafety/gss/gss01.aspx Separate accommodations. When camping, no youth is permitted to sleep in the tent of an adult other than his own parent or guardian. emphasis added. So NO ADULT, other than parent or guardian, can stay in a ten of a youth.

In looking at the BS Inspection Sheet again, it appears that with the "official uniform shirt" you can still wear the red numbers because that is shown in the photo. Also is it just me, but does the diagram for the " official shirt" look as if the red numbers are worn on it as well as well? Sorry to be nit picky, but I know of commissioners who are that nit picky when they do uniform inspections.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

Also still doesn't answer what color number CS leaders and Webelos in tan uniform wear. Also the BS form doesn't really differentiate the color of the numbers on the "Official Uniform Shirt" and the "Official Shirt."

Stupid question, but here it goes. What's the difference between the "Official Uniform Shirt" and '"Official Shirt" referenced here http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/images/pdfs/34283.pdf ?

I have to agree with Short. I first heard of WB when I did the Brownsea 22 training. All of the adults either completed WB or were working their tickets. Really impressed me. As An adult I've put off WB because of scheduling conflicts, and finances. Then WB21C came out. I first heard that changes were int he air back in 95 when Gilwell Park was testing their new course. I didn't like the sound of it as it took the outing out of Scouting. Then it occurred over here. While some WBers may think the new course is great, i do know a few who do not, and these folks are respected WB staffers. Will I take WB, at some point, becaus epart of me still sees those beads as the epitome of scout leader training. But honestly I'm more interested in Powderhorn.

Hal and SctLdr. The reason costume is not to be used, especially on the powwow circuit, is because of the second defination "2. An outfit or a disguise worn on Mardi Gras, Halloween, or similar occasions." which is what most people think of when they hear the word costume. Trust me it is considered an insult. Yes I know the true meaning of costume, vis-a-vis def.1,as my sis-in-law does theatrical costumes on the side and in fact has helped me with my regalia. It is definately an art form. BUT again in Native American circles, costume is a No no. The reason why regalia is prefered is because of the 3rd and 4th definitions, " 3. The distinguishing symbols of a rank, office, order, or society. 4. Magnificent attire; finery." Grant you most ceremony teams don't know the meaning of what they are wearing. Some teams do their research, know the meaning of what they are wearing, and wear it properly. I'm trying to instill that sense of knowledge within my lodge. As for dancers, almost every item has some significance, either to the individual dancer, or historical significance to the dance style. From the roach feather on top of my head, down to the beadwork patterns on my mocs, everything has some significance. And when you get dancers who are members of the various Native American societies, certain items they have ARE "symbols of rank, office, order, or society." For example, I will never carry a dance stick with beadwork on it when I dance in one dance style, because it is a symbol of office. It would be very rude and insulting for me to carry it. Sorry to rant, but the terminology DOES mean something to native cultures. That's one reason why national stated "costumes" was a no no back in the 80s. Native American groups told national that they consider the term impolite and rude, and asked us to call the clothing what they call it: regalia. Trust me the word "costumes" and some things that some OA dancers have done/do are why the OA has a low reputation with many native American groups. (This message has been edited by eagle92)

I agree, but the youth in our lodge have voted repeatedly for it. When national came out with the new guidelines on flaps, I was surprised that they forbid the individual honors, but only discouraged restrictions. I will say this, the the topic of new flaps did come up at our LLD this month, and when it was reiterated that the new flaps would NOT have individual honors, the ECM decided to table new flaps. Also no one put a motion to remove the restrictions on the flap either. Lots of upset youth arrowmen on the individual honors flap,and I thinkthis affected the decision on the removal of restrictions on our lodge flap.

SW, No mention of NACA at my LLD a few weeks back. Guess when I dance, I'm wearing NADA (Native American Dance Attire) Seriously though if you ever go to a non-OA powwow, please refer to the clothing as regalia or outfit. Never costume.

As someone who is involved on powwow circuit,I can tell you that if someone calls a dancer's clothing a "costume" depending upon who the dancer is, you can get anything from a verbal correction, to a slap in the face. I haven't heard the "regalia" ruling from national, and I've been my lodge's AIA adviser for the past 2 years and stepped down to assistant AIA adviser this year. For all the time, energy, and money that I've spent on my dance clothes, as well as the gifts that I've received, I would be HIGHLY insulted if someone called my stuff a "costume." There is a meaning to every item that I am wearing. If a ceremony team takes the time to do the research and make the articles that they will be wearing correctly, I wouldn't call it a costume either. Again there are articles that have specific social meanings.

Costume is the NO NO. Outfits is acceptable, and regalia is the preferred term. "Costumes are what you wear for Holloween."

On the MS gulfcoast, there three troop that jointly operate a summercamp. And they make their camp available to any troop that is willing to come, but there are condidtions. 1) Fee was $65/week and that was 7 years ago. 2) All leaders accompaning the troop HAD to teach a MB Class. It was very popular.