Eagle92

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Actually the friday nites and datying for the older scouts didn't pose a problem. It was when we did something special, usually a COH or ECOH on a saturday that caused problems. One example was my friend's ECOH the same saturday as my HS ring ceremony and dance. It was as my gf wne tot the ceremony with me, and then we hightailed it to the ECOH where I changed from a coat and tie to full uniform. Did the ECOH, had some food, and then changed againg into coat and tie and went straight to the dance form the COH.

One unit I was with met on Sundays, and attendance was good. Very active program and we did have older scouts and young scouters attend meetings as we were near the state university most went to. Another suggestion is Fridays. Grant you football season may hurt a little, especially if you are in a small town, but in a major urban area, like New Orleans where I grew up, the Friday nites were perfect: no HW to deal with and except for football players, bandsmen, and cheerleaders (we had all three in my troop) there wasn't a big drop off in attendance. And alot ot games were saturday games, so even those involved with the season could attend. every now and then.

yes step parent's are welcome, and welcome to the forum. Been very hectic weekend and I wan tto apologize for not welcoming you. now in reference to the uniform and dinner, I am assuming that you are talking about summer camp. If that's the case, what i've seen happen is that Scouts are usually in regular clothes and scout t-shirt throughout the day. The only time they wear the uniform is the opening campfire, flag retirement and dinner, parent's campfire, and closing campfire.

Now I am taking a guess, but if it is has a blue background, then that is the CS version from the past ( 60s or 70s anyone?) that would be worn by female leaders. And that would go above the BSA strip. Actually according to the latest uniform inspection sheet found here http://scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/images/pdfs/34048.pdf Temporary insignia, including one current world Scout jamboree patch, centered on pocket. Only one temporary insignia may be worn at a time, and they are not required for correct uniforming. Cub Scout leaders and female leaders, wearing the official uniform shirt or blouse may wear one temporary insignia centered above the Boy Scouts of America strip. Please be advised that according to the inspection sheet, the "official uniform shirt" refers to the ODl uniform, while "official shirt" refers to the centennial uniform. So technically ANY CS leader, and all female leaders irregardless of program can wear a temp insignia n the jamboree spot in the ODL uniform, but not the centennial uniform. Also no mention of female ventureres in regards to the patch question, and they may also haev the same problem some of the female leaders have.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

Just as the baseball uniform is important for baseball, the football uniform is for football, ad nauseum, so to is the scout uniform important to Scouting. The uniform symbolizes much. It shows the world that the Scout is a member of the largest youth organization in the world that has been around since 1907. It tells people that wearer si someone who has taken an oath to do their duty to God and Country, to other people, and to self. When people see the uniform, or know that soemone is a scout, they expect them to be prepared to handle any emergency. Trust me I had that happem twice as a scout. The uniform is a equalizer in that scouts of all ethnicities and and socio-economic backgrounds wear the same uniform. Although an equalizer, the uniform also allows the scout and scouter to show his abilities and achievements in the form of advancement, training, and experience.

A crazy idea for ya, if you can get a copy of the 3rd. edition SM handbook, it's a 2 volume set, the 1st volume has a suggested program for getting a new troop started. Yes itmay need ot be modified to todays times a little, but I like it.

What I have seen done is that scouts will take the workbook apart and create a binder, inserting the pages from the workbook into page protectors, and placing the photos, diagrams, etc. with the pertinent info. I suggest your son talk to the SM abotu what has been done inthe past since it's his project, his responsibility.

I am stunned.

Anytime a leader puts his hands on a Scout, even in self defense, a report needs to be made toe the SE and/or Police. That is in YPT. The leader is to be removed from scouting pendign further investigation. Also alcohol is forbidden, and can lead to a scouter having their memebrship revoked. This is not something to play areound with. Parents entrust us with their kids and we cannot use force on the kids or have our judgement impaired by alcohol.

One for the challenges I've faced in marekting a new older scout program was lack of understanding from council administration, and lack of promotion. I was hired to create and implement the program way back when, and while the council powers understood somethign was needed, they couldn't comprehend the type of program I created, which incidentally was based upon a program the council used years earlier and was successfull untilthey discontinued it to focus on MBs. The major problem was that no promotion for the new program was done, until the last minute. So it wasn't in the SC HB. ther ewas no metion of it at camp promos or at the SM prep meetings. Just an quick blurb in the newspaper the council sends out in April. Surpiseingly no one signed up for a trip that combined COPE, backpacking, and canoeing. Now those camps that do get it and offer a HA program are doign very well. The Bonner Scout Reservation has two camps: a traditional summer camp at Camp Bonner, and a natuionally accredited HA base called Pamilico Sea Base, and spots go quickly for both.

CA, It's not adding or subtracting, it's creating a "Made-To-Order" uniform item, something that Supply use to do back when I worked for them. E92

I am not too familiar with how packs handle this,especialloy since uit's family camping and the parents are suppose to be there, But I would have 3 copies of each form. First copy goes to the unit and they hold thm and take them to every activity. Secodn copy stay's witht the CS's parents so that they cankeep it for when they attend functions. that way they have the form and can take it to the hospital if needed. Third copy stays at home and is available to be faxed just in case .

1) It is my understanding that HIPAA applies to the medical profession only, i.e. hospitals, medical offices, labs, etc. I can double check and confirm this given time as I have to take a class on it every year. 2) My old unit kept the health forms year round in a binde that wen on every trip. Depedning upon who went on the trip, it was either the SM who kept the, or one of the ASMs who was also a physician.

Eagle90 has a very good point in that by having Webelos sign of on the skills, they would need to have the IOLS training to do some of that. Only way I see tha Gern also makes a good point as the Mazucca interview scares me. Didn't we try something like this in the 70s, and had to bring back Green Bar Bill from retirement to solve the problem? I don't think we can bring him back from the dead? This is the worse idea I've heard of form national

get the 36" one as he will grow into it. trust me you don't want to wear a tight fitting sash at their Eagle COH, It was a very tight fit. and you can always hem the sash from the bottom so that it fits now, then just cut the seam.

Welcome to the forums and congrat's on being selected to serve as an SM, it's one of the most important positions in scouting. My advice: 1) go through SM Traingin (SP Spec and IOLS) ASAP. 2) Some things to help start is to get the Troop Program Helps vol's 1-3 and the Troop Resource book. They provide al;ot of material to help get started. the program features gives your PLC 3 years worth of program to choose from. 3)Can you have a youth led unit form the get go, maybe. Depending upon the maturity of the members, you may find one that can be PL. If you can't find one, then you may have to take 3-6 months and TRAIN all of them. By that I mean you show them how things are done as in you be the "PL" and you teach them all about the patrol method. You will probably need to do this for 3 months, with you in a direct role,then slwoly back away for the next 3. After six months, let them take over, allowing them to succeed or fail as a patrol at the different objectives,i.e. cooking dinner on time, cleaning up on time, having duty roosters, etc.

I have to echo the quality part. You buy good quality gear, take care of it, and it will last a very long time. While this does go away from Scout led to a degree, I do think it's important. Make sure the youth know not only how to use and take care of the equipment properly, but also how much it costs and who will have to fork up the money to replace it: the entire patrol. As for chuck boxes tjhey have both advantages and disadvantages. Advantage is that they store the patrol gear very well. dis advantage is that they are heavy and as has been pointed out, some troops will limit their camping to car camping. Nothing wrong with that on occasion, but trust me backpacking is a lot more fun! As for the trailer, while some units are fortunate to have access to a CO's van, some units do not. And trust me you do not want your truck looking like the Clampet's stuffed with so many backpacks that you cannot see out the rear window, and people at work think you are moving out your house (don't ask ) The books are helpful, and yes you need current ones, BUT if you can get the older ones, save the 1972 ed. of the BSHB, I've found they are much better written and provide better basic info. In fact I got my list from both the 1979ed. BSHB and 2nd ed Field Book.

Yep it's payday for all the hard work you've put into the program for all these years!

dutch oven reflector oven and get the backpacking stoves NOW, and skip on the bigger burners as recommnded Another set of equipment, mostyly paperwork, is get teh Troop Program features vols 1,2,&3 and troop resources book. very big aid in letting your PLC decide what they want to do for program, and gives them a suggested plan.

-US and Troop Flags, -trailer Since the troop is comprised of patrols, looks like 2 patrols of 5, i am going to list some stuff from the 1979 ed. BS HB. patrol camping gear -2 man tents with fixins -dining fly -patrol flag -small US flag with halyard, - wood tools of axe, saw, and spade - repair kit of -8 in. file for sharpening - sharpening stone - thin wire - rope - duct tape( oh i added that one) -sewing kit -first aid kit (I recommend one toteable kit for each patrol,with a larger one for the troop trailer - lantern - cook kit - water container - washbasin more later

WAhooker, The problem I see with AOL= tenderfoot automatically is that some packs will just give the AOL away. I hate to say it doesn't happen, but it does. Now i don't know the 69 and 65 requirements, I need to look them up, and I know it may be sacrilege for me to say what i am about to say, but growing up with Skill Awards from the '80s, I think BSA screwed by distributing the requirements throughout T-2-1 and also watered down some of the requirements. that's my opinion, as well as the opinion of several other scouters who also grew up in the 80s.

I like the idea of combining ciCom and CiNat and makign Cooking eagle required. Don't know what else they could add, inless they add microwaving stuff which I feel wouldn't be right as Scouting is outing. Plus if you can cook over an open flame, you can microwave. I concur about moving tenderfoot skills to Webelos. T-2-1 doesn't focus enough on the basics IMHO. Girls in Scouting, didn't think I woulds see it in my lifetime, but it has happened elsewhere.

Maybe i should have left my mean old troop as I was never elected SPL, always appointed ASPL. Not once was I ever depressed, sulking, etc, for not getting SPL. Heck I knew that 1) the choice elected was better than me, 2)Choice elected was as good as me, or 3) choice elected had more time to dedicate to the POR. I was just happy to be ASPL for 4 years.

yea let's not discuss parts of the Ordeal. My lodge used a question like this to verify a person was a member, but lost all their stuff. Yep things happend and get lost, stolen, or detroyed, but your memories remain