Eagle92

Trainer, Thanks for the heads up. As I stated I think it is a horrible idea. When will they be available? Need to know so that I can inform the pack.

Trainer, A few ideas for your Webelos. 1) start having them work with a scout troop. Stressing work WITH, not join. 2) have the your guys work with the new webs, i.e have them teach the skills 3) look closely at the birthdates. It may be possible for some of the boys to earn their AOL and join a troop as early as April of this year. Since most packs are grade based,if you have a Cub with a late birthday, say October, then he will be 10.5 in April, despite being in the 4th grade. From the AOL requirements 1) Be active in your Webelos den for at least six months since completing the fourth grade (or for at least six months since becoming 10 years old), and earn the Webelos badge. Boy Scout joining requirements Meet age requirements: Be a boy who is 11 years old, or one who has completed the fifth grade or earned the Arrow of Light Award and is at least 10 years old, but is not yet 18 years old. (This message has been edited by eagle92)

I'ld actually reccomend WAITING on the Webelos book until June. Word on the street is that ther are major changes coming in ref. to CS2010. Don't know if that includes advancement requirements or not.

In ref. to CPR, just wait until next year! The conference that comes out with the new procedures is this year, and AHA will be updating CPR accordingly next year. Word is to expect 50:2 compressions to breaths for adults.

Just don't use the "Scatter Method," i.e taking a stick and scattering it all over. Yes I was told that at one non-BSA outdoor training course in the 1990s. Also make sure that however you do it, bag or cathole, just DO NOT do it in a field of poison ivy. I was told by the guy who did that it is not fun!

Crew, Thanks for that one. True story in the 189os in New Orleans, a horse that died on Tchopitoulas Street (pronounced Chop a tool us), the police officer couldn't spell Tchopitoulus, so he, the owner, and several bystanders drageged the caucus to the next street that he could spell.

A few Ideas to help with becoming a Webelos leader next year. 1) get Webelos Specif training and Outdoor Webelos Leader, or better yet, Intro. to Outdoor Leaders Skills (BS and Vent. leader outdoor training)now. I know they will be merging the two training in the very near future, but I say "Git 'ere done." 2)Attend Roundtables. These are the monthly meetings for leaders and will give you a chance to talk to other leaders. 3)Start talking to other leaders. 4) If your district and/or Council have some type of weekend activity for Webelos only, i.e. Webeloree, then go to it this year. 5) Develop a relationship with a troop NOW. It does 2 things. A) You may be able to get a Den Chief from them, and DC are worht their weight in gold, esp at the Webelos level, and B) Helps make planning for outdoor activities easier and C) Helps smooth out hte Crossover process. Now one interesting thing about Webelos is that it can take anywhere from 18-24 months, so if you are active, your Webelos can crossover in Novemeber of 5th grade, and become Boy Scouts December 1. I strongly , stress STRONGLY, recommend you have your Webelos know what troop(s) they will be joining prior to Novemeber, so that they ( and more importantly their parents) can be acclimated to the troop AND start savinign money for Summer camp. Studies have shown that you get a scout to summer camp their firsat year, they will stay inthe program. Good luck.

'Fish, No such thing as as stupid question, EXCEPT for the one never asked. Heck you got folks who have "been there, done that," and are STILL asking questions, i.e. see my Space Derby one. Also some of us WILL make jokes and go a little overboard with the stories and what not, inlcuding your truly. Just as at a normal campfire and/or cracker barrel there will be joking an playing, so to on here. However it's sometimes hard to tell when some is playing around on the internet. I try to uyse emoticons to seay Hey I' playing or am not being serious. So don't worry about negativity, and keep asking away Just watch the language as we do have Scout on here on occasion

2 comments. A) Once again the second oldest program in the BSA, Sea Scouts founded in 1912, are left out in the cold. B) I think it's kinda of overboard. PS Also I noticed this: why is there not scout patch and the oval Webelos badge liste dwith eh Boy Scout ones? Also is it me or does the CS pocket look wrong with a flat bottom?(This message has been edited by eagle92)

I had a hand-me-down CS Knife. I personally recommend something that A) has some type of locking mechanism and B) is carbon steel. That way you won't have to worry about the blade folding in on itself and once sharpened it stays sharp ("A sharp knife IS a safe knife")

Ok folks I have never, repeat NEVER, done Space Derby before. So my question is How easy is it? Can building it be done in a 40 minute craft period over CSDC? What items will I deed. And since I have to create, ho much are we looking at per person for everythign involved? Speaking of which, What is involved? This is something that is not done in my neck of the woods, and when I ask around, i get deer in the headlight looks, even from long term Cub Scouters.

Well this is an old one by my standards, but I haven't seen it in years. I was reminded of it today teaching Basic Life Support classes. It's the CPR skit. Two scouts are walking along when they run into someone lying on the ground. They go through the motions of doing CPR in a very exaggerated way, and count extremely loudly with the counter screaming "BREATH" and giving funny faces while doing it. This goes on and the compressor says, man I am getting tired, don't know how much longer I can take it, and the breather says, "ok, ok SWITCH!" and the victim become the breather, the breather is now doign compressions, and the compressor lays down and becomdes the victim.

Can't wear the field uniform to work, although I have been known to wear my Venturing pants and a Scout polo. But I plan on wearing the "vintage" 1998 dress uniform of blue blazer, grey slacks, and "barbershop" tie. Oh and the french cuff shirt and BSA cuff links Heck I may just wear that same ensemble the Friday before as I need to go to a statewide UW meeting.

As a youth, the the bulk of the patrols in my troop were mixed age , so that you had 11 y.o.s with 14 y.o.s. But the Leadership Corps program was around, and that tended to keep your older scouts togehter in one patrol. Yes they worked with the other patrols, but they also did their own thing as well on trips. While some of the members of the LC were my "competitors" i.e. PLs of the other patrols when I was a PL, by the time we got to the LC, we had common experiences that forged into a tight nit patrol.

'96, I don't know all the details, but I believe some councils created their own JLT courses prior to national creating one, and they were known by various names, White Stag, Golden Acorn, etc. Green Bar Bill used WB as his model for BA22, esp. since Scouting lost some of its outdoor emphasis in the 70s, which is why there was a heavy emphasis on traditional scouting skills AND leadership skills. He used the BROWNSEA name since that was the first scout camp, emphasizing the youth participation, and Troop 22,just like WB troop 1, because of the 22 participants at that first camp: 20 scouts, BP, and his 9 or 10 y.o. nephew who served as his aide de camp (first CS perhaps?). BA 22 ywa the youth equivlent of WB, kinda like NYLT is the youth equiveltn of WB21C (after all adults WB staffers can get their 3rd and 4th beads now via NYLT). When I staffed JLT a few years later, I was the only adult on staff who had not attended WB as they accepted BA22 in its place. Almost forgot about the staves. At BA 22 you had to make your own by the closing campfire as you needed it then. At JLT, they were issued out.

BD, FYI Brownsea 22, aka BA22, was the course that Green Bar Bill created in the mid to late 1970s that reemphasized outdoor skills and leadership. Patrols lived, ate, and breathed the Patrol Method the week they were there, with everyone having a shot at being PL or APL. In addition to basic and advanced scout skills, some of which included wilderness survival, backpacking, orienteering, pioneering, etc, we also had classes on leadership skills, communications, counseling, representing the group, etc. Now the prerequisites were 13 yo, First Class, served as a PL (preferably being the current or prospective SPL), AND went through TLT. So you were already trained when you got there. basically it was WB for youth. Instead of beads, you earned your BA22 strip, and in my old council, a Smokey Bear. What i found intersting is that ther eis a Training Code for us old fogey who went through BA22 in SCOUTNET: S93 PS thanks for the info; red and tan trained strip.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

Emb, In refernce to WB, pre WB21C you had to have completed basic training to got to WB, either the CS or BS. Sorry don't know about the Exploring WB as they did away with that prior to the 80s. So most folks already had the trained strip on their non-WB uniforms. When WB21c came out for everyone is when I think that the trained for any position for adults came about b/c it's now 1 coutrse for all levels. But you are correct you must complete training for each level. As for the BA22 and JLT, upon reflection you had to have TLT prior to taking those courses, so you were already trained as a PL, SPL, etc. Like I said most folks I knew with BA22 wore the BA strip between the CSP and unit numbers. As for trained strip w/out POR patch, I hear you loud and clear, and that is a pet peeve of mine. Scoutnut, Trained strips are not a restricted item and anyone can buy them, at least when I last worked for national. NOW some council distributorships WILL ask for proof before buying non restricted items. Had that happen to me one time. Luckily I had a copy of my SCOUTNET records on me to buy a known restricted item, and had no problems. Back to my question for my wife, what color trained strip is she suppose to wear in a venturing uniform: tan and red or tan and green?

Emb, I used the term RENDEVOUS b/c, in doing some research for the banquet, i found several Exploring events named that. I suggested MOOT b/c that appears to eb the worldwide term for the older scouting program. (caps are not shouting, but pointing out the term used) Another idea would be to alternate the national Venturing event, whatever you want to call it, with the World Moot, like they do with World and National Jambos. If I am not mistaken Keith Christopher has something to do with Venturing at national. Maybe someone can put a bug in his ear as I know he is pro Venturing?

Emb, Grant there has been changes in the training format with NYLT, but back when I went through BA22, and staffed JLT, we were told/told the participants that by compelting the training, they were trained for ANY youth leadership position in the troop. Grant you those of us who went through BA22 wore the BROWNSEA strips instead, but I saw most of the JLT folks wearing them at the post conference meeting. So that has changed?

Actually how about a weeklong Venturing Rendevous (or Moot, whatever is the proper term) in the years between NOAC and Jambos?

Chatt, the short shorts were approx. 1970s and definately 1980s, and that was the style of the times. As for vintage uniforms and today's youth, I know of several guys in my lodge who also wear vintage uniforms. And if memory serves, there is a waiting list for folks to wear one of our member's collection of historic uniforms at special event that he is putting his display up.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

To change the topic sligtly, i think I can do that since my quote si the one that started this thread, WHAT CAN WE DO TO KEEP OLDER SCOUTS ACTIVE ( caps for emphasis). I know that I was active in HS, just not as active compared to MS, because 1) it was fun, 2) I had a bunch of friends 3)felt some responsibility to teach the new scouts like older scouts did for me, 4)yes I wanted to get Eagle. But to be honest I was having to mucgh fun to work on it until about 3 months before the 18th bday. project was done while in 8th grade, and had most of the MBs completed (only needed 3 between 8th and Sr. year if memory serves: Personal Management, Commuications, and any other)

Depending how far the other council is depends on the phone call. Across the country is one thing, but down the road, is definatley another. While the transfer forms are nice, the paper that national came up with to aid in the process, SCOUTNET is suppose to keep up with it records, so they may not be as necessary. Also some troop do use the honor system, and if the book is signed off, they will accept it. I know that when I transfered from my first troop to my old troop as a Tenderfoot, they accepted my book as proof, no questions asked. The again I did have older cousins in the troop.

Thanks for the post. Well one of my buttons, ok toggle, can stay YEAH! Out of curiosity when did fringe become popular, 1830s?

I kinda had a dad like that. Only thing that kept me going as a CS was I was having some fun and older cousin was an Eagle and i heard some of his stories. Also read my brothers' BSHB and knew ther ewas more out there than CS. One reason is boredom. My first den really didn't do much, one parade, and one field trip. That's it. Luckily I transferred to another den. Divorce is big. Moving is another. finances seems to be hitting a few of my parents. esp. sincemy packis the most expesnive inthe area, $67/year with BL, plus the event fees, i.e. campout, PWD cars, etc.