Eagle92

ACCO, You mean DISTRICT exec right? As far as the BACKDATING and Planning goes, it is VERY important as a lot of what DE's do is running around with their heads chopped off LOL Seriously though, backdating is being able to say ok Event A is Z date. Z -10 days get B done. Z -30 days order patches, Z -45 days, etc. One of the tools they hand out at PDL 1 is "the WHEEL" with, if memory serves, all 365 days on it, and spots to tell you when -45 days and -90 days are at on it. VERY useful tool. As for planning, it is very important as well, as it can be an extremely hectioc schedule, esp as you move up to DD or FD positions and you must fill in for a missing DE.

24, The reason for the emphasis is that one need to pass the Beginner and Swimmer tests in order to 2nd and 1st Class respectively. You are correct in that once they get that out of the way, they do not need to get Swimming MB. As someone who DID have an irrational fear of swimming as a youth, or maybe it was rational since I did drown and needed EMS to resusciate me one time, I can say I am very glad for the requirement. My mother, knowing a littel about scouting from my older brothers, gave me an ultimatum: learn to swim or get out of scouts. I was a PITA the first week of swimming lessons, but after that things went smoothly. grant you when I went to summer cmap a year later, i couldn't get past beginner, I did take instructional swim and was abel to master the Swimmer test mid week. ther eare way to work on this.

One other thing to look at is the Training Codes found here http://scouting.org/filestore/training/pdf/trainingcoursesreport2009.pdf Those codes are what are entered into SCOUTNET. And they do go back a few years. Now this may not be the right procedure, but I was told by my DE to do so, so I did it, and it is entered into my record. I was told to enter not only the courses I went through, but also those I staffed. For example, I went through SM Fundamentals back in the day (S21 I beleive), as well as Brownsea 22 (S93) even furhter inback in the day. But I have staffed SM Specific (S24) and IOLS (S11), among others and have them listed as well on my recrds NOTE In reviewing the coded sheet provided, some of the older codes are missing,take a look at this website as this council is using training inventories to get the records straight, and they do have older codes listed. Also Scouter's Training Award, SM KEY, et al have their own codes, which also shows training completed. http://www.eccbsa.org/forms/ECC%20Adult%20Leader%20Training%20Record.pdf Bold is to emphasis not scream.

'69, Your wish is my command. From here http://scouting.org/sitecore/content/Home/BoyScouts/Adults/Training/Trained%20Leader.aspx What Makes a Trained Leader A direct contact Scout leader is considered fully trained and entitled to wear the Trained leader emblem when he or she has completed the following training courses and the specific training for the position. Fast Start Training. Fast Start training is the first step for all new leaders and should be taken immediately after they register and before they meet with any youth members. New leaders choose the Fast Start they need to take: Cub Scout Leader, Boy Scout Leader, Varsity Scout Leader, or Venturing Crew Leader. All Fast Start courses are available on DVD, or they can be completed through the Online Learning Center. (If you are new to Scouting, you will be asked to create an account.) Youth Protection Training. Youth Protection training is required for all leaders who have direct contact with youth. At all times, youth safety is the number one priority. At the same time, adults need to know the rules for keeping themselves safe, too. Comprehensive Youth Protection training teaches all the dos and donts of working with youth. The training is offered through the Online Learning Center, or it may be taken as part of an district or council training course. This is Scouting. This Is Scouting is a new online training session that replaces New Leader Essentials. It picks up when Fast Start leaves off with six modules of training: The Mission of Scouting, Programs for All ages, Scouting Is Fun, Scouting in the Community, Keeping Our Youth Safe, and Scoutings Legacy. The training takes about an hour to complete and can be found on Online Learning Center. (If you are new to Scouting, you will be asked to create an account.) Position Specific Training. Leader position specific training is based on the leaders position. These courses are taught by informed trainers who know how to engage groups and make learning fun. These courses are offered by the district or council as group training, or may be done as small groups or by personal coaching. Cub Scout Leaders Cub Scout Leader Specific training has been developed for the following positions: Tiger Cub den leaders Cubmasters and assistants Wolf and Bear Den leaders and assistants Pack Committee Webelos den leaders and assistants Pack trainers Boy Scout Leaders Scoutmaster and Assistant Scoutmaster Leader Specific Training is for all Scoutmasters and their assistants. Boy Scout leaders also must complete Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills training to be considered fully trained. Varsity Scout Leaders Varsity Scout Coach Leader Specific is for all Varsity Coaches and assistants Coaches. Varsity Coaches and assistant Coaches must also complete Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills training to be considered fully trained. Venturing Crew Leaders Venturing crew leaders and assistants must complete Venturing Leader Specific Training, a five-session training course, to be considered fully trained. Venturing crew leaders whose crews have an outdoor program must also complete Introduction to Outdoor Skills training to be considered fully trained.

Congrats on moving to BOY LEAD! Check with the Troop Resouce Manual ( or whatever it's called), a white and Carolina Blue coverd book with a CD. It has several scripts and other resources in it. While you are lookign at that one, Look at the 3 volumes of Troop Program Resources, formerly known as Woods Wisdom. The three volumes gives lesson plans to help your scouts organize their own meetings. GOOD LUCK!

Not just you.

Acco, AGREED!!!!!!!! look at soemof the things 11-18 YOs did 100 years ago, and folks would freak out and say "H377 NO!" Heck even BP went on trips with his older brothers by themselves.

If we follow the military protocols and my memory serves, when you receive a salute out of uniform, or in the Marine Corps and Navy not covered, then you say "as you were" to acknolwedge the salute.

Forgot to mention, go to ESTES.COM (or google Estes Rockets) and look aroudn for the bulk group discount packages. Sorry I can't find the link, but it's there. Also one of the things I remember trying to do at a "Dad and Lad" weekend 25+ years ago as a brand new Bear Cub was... making a model rocket. Unfortunately my father had more fun with it than I did.

I now TCs can meet and elective to build a model Sorry can't cite chap and verse right now. My pack just did a rocket derby 3 weeks ago and was so much fun, dspite the weather, that my den wants to do a nother one, and the pack may be doingit again! Also since Space is the theme for CSDC in my neck of the woods, some of the camps will be building ... model reockets. Wish mine could, but we don't haev an area large enough. Now some one told me about a "corn cob rocket" built with an engine and as corn cob, but I haven't tried it...YET If successfull, we may do that at camp instead, that way when we lose the rockets, it's not a big deal.

Ok in rereading my last post, it may sound snarky, which is not how I intended. I lived in the UK briefly, and know that prices for common items here are a lot more expensive over there. Try paying about $8 for 2 batteries!

Scout, How much is a needle and thread in Switzerland? Only cost I've found in sewing patches on as a youth and adult was the cost of a color threrad I didn't have. I think the most i've speant on thread is $3.50 (heavy duty gold mylar thread)and $.99 for a pack of needles.

Maybe my SM did it wrong, but I liked his style. All he did was tell me the EBOR was waiting for me and good luck. No intros, no staying in the room. At this stage the eagle should "Be Prepared" for anything.

Have to agree with the Beav about parents and memories. At the funeral I attended last week, my father still treated me like I was a child, and that is after not seeing him for 19 years. Luckily his new wife stepped in and fixed the problem.

Wing, challenge Ihave is that it is a service project FOR scouting, which is a no no. capt. Those green loops may be A) a color problem form the monitor ( yep that happens) or B) his local scout supplier told him the wrong color green loops when purchased (happened in my neck of the woods). As for me, Glad I still have my RED loops and that they can be worn with the centennial uniform per the Centennial uniform flyer that came out prior to the IG

Interesting topic. Only time I had ever seen anything similar,w as for one of the ASMs who came through the ranks, had completed college, and was moving out of state with his first FT job. The troop actually threw the guy a surprise going away party with light roasting and a display of pics throughout the years.

Agree with skeptic, nice but how does it fit into community service?

BP, well there is a lot of other documents that state what I am stating. Citations have been provided by others. As far as where a scout shop places patches, it all depends on several factors: space for display, restricted vs nonrestricted, inventory, etc. At the shop I worked at, the COR patches were behind the counter in a drawer with the council level patches. We also had the, first go around with supply Exploring; second go around Venturing insignia as we had no room on the floor forthose patches.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

CA, love those answers. LOL. However I would suggest letting the PLC to decide the dates for event as well. It is VERY doable for them, and hopefully easier for yout PLC than mine growing up. Our yearly planning meeting was an all day affair due to the fact that we were working with approx. 6 different HS calendars and I can't remember how many elementary and MS calendars (mostly private schools in the New Orleans Area, and the parochial elementary schools go up to 8th grade). Long day but doable.

'Chief The COR stands for Charter Organization Representative, and that person represents the organization that owns the unit to the district and council. On the district and council levels, CORs are part of the council board and vote on issues there, as well as sit onthe district committee and vote there. On the unit level, they are the ones that approve all unit leaders, and can hire or fire anyone. Only person who can overule the COR on the unit level is his boss, the Institutional Head.

Also according to the Insignia Guide found here http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide/10B.aspx Chartered organization representative, No. 00490, council Scouter,[emphasis added] left sleeve, position 3.

Beav, Great post. as usual. But FYI, Pope Pius is the Older Scout/Sea Scout/ Exploring/Venturing religious award, and would also be appropriate for a Scouter to wear. EDITED: appropriate for a Boy Scout leader to wear. Not many folks get or even know about the Pope Pius. I remember only 5 folks getting it, and 4 were from the same unit. If memory serves over 200 folks got the AAD at the same service.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

Dime, if memory serves, the revised BSA Lifeguard program was designed by ARC, and now is almost identical to ARC. I'm not a WBer, but maybe you can modify your ticket to be just Lifeguard certified? Also as stated SSD doesn't require certified lifeguards, just someone over 21 to be in charge. Which can make it interesting when you have a 16yo BSA Lifeguard, or an 19YO Lifeguard instructor

Well i don't look at the thread for a while and look what happens. LOL. Yep the COR is a councuil scouter, wears silver loops, and no unit numbers, although I do see them on very rare occasions ( heck seeing a COR is rare, let alone in a uniform LOL.) Also although the the Chapter Adviser is selected by the LA, I know that I also had to get the OK from the Dis. Chair. And when I got my replacement, I had the LA and DC approve him too. As for the OA youth member sitting on the council and dis coms, Evwery single lodge I've been in had the LC on the council board. Just as the VOA pres is on the exec board in my council. Now I've been in some districts that had the CC on the committee, and others not.

Great question Lisa. I know growing up, my PLC made 99% of the decisions. Occasionally we were overruled by the SM and/or committee, but, with the exception of one trip, the rationale for being overruled made sense. Now grant you some things were "just assumed," by all, i.e "Indianhead is OUR summer camp campsite," etc and were automatically done by the adults doing the paperwork with no true input from the PLC, but to be honest the PLC would have requested it anyway. As for cellphones, didn't have them back then, but we had the policy of no radios. Only excpetion that I can recall was for summer camp CITs who were not arriving and/or leaving camp with the troop, and the SPL or his designate could bring in a radio to summer camp to keep current with the world and music. Kinda helped when one of our ASMs or MCs, sorry can't remember what position he was at the time, who heard some news and assumed correctly that his reserve unit would be getting called up shortly. And it was.