Eagle92

Ok, back in the day, wehn my troop said campout, it meant either A) in a tent, B) under the stars, or C) in a shelter they built (either for WS MB or for our Webelos camping trip, and yes the Webelos helped build and stay ion the shelter) Overniters were those event inside some type of structure, ie school gym or decommissioner USN vessal (ALABAMA and KIDD come to mind). never realy did the cabin thing until I worked summer camp.

to quote Adam Shandler 'Not too shabby." I like it, esp the refercne the referecne to the SMHB 3rd.ed.

Officially there is no such distinction among 9 year old Webelos and 10 yo webelos, i.e. Webelos I and Webelos II, so the can name the den effective 1 June. As for leader's wearing the den emblem. the uniform inspections sheet states the following: Den or emblem numeral, if applicable, below and touching the flag from here http://scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/images/pdfs/34048.pdf Also the the male leader chekclist found here http://scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/images/pdfs/Male_Leader_Checklsit.pdf does list the Patrol Emblem ( that's BSA speak BTW) on the adult uniform. HOWEVER after looking at the sheets there are MAJOR errors on someof the leader chekclists, i.s. MS sashes, patches going on the wrong spot, etc. But yes the DL wear the number or emblem of their den.

"DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER WILL ROBINSON!" Troop B from the description has the appearance of an adult lead troop per what everyone else said. Are you sure Troop A only meets once a month?

Also some folks may look at him funny with him in a BS uniform, wearing a CS award.

Collecting used ink cartridges.

Jay, Norules is correct in that you CAN wear both the knot and medal at the same time. Unlike the military in which ribbons are placed onto ribbonbars that are removable, the knots are usually sewn directly onto the uniform. Trust me it can a pain to cut and resew knots. The online Insignia Guide has more info onthis topic.

Two of the districts I've been in have had district insignia. One had a button loop and was meant to be a temp patch, specifically for the camporree (however there was nothing on the patch stating camporee and it was used as an "excuse" to make district insignia), and the other district gave the patch out to district committee members and those who were onthe various event staffs. Now I do know of 1 district in one council that has created district insignia, and encourages all leaders to buy it for uniform wear in lieu of the regional pactch, and the money goes into the that district's events budgets.

BD and Sctdad, Only 1 item is currently authorized for wear on the the left pocket of an adult uniform: Powderhorn Insignia. It is a metal device that originally hung from the button, but with the new centennial uniform, it is now a clutch back. While the Inspection sheet doesn't list it, the IG does. See the link above. I say currently b/c in looking at some old pics, OA ones to be specific, there is one I've seen of the National OA committee in which every member of that committee is wearing some type of patch on the left pocket. Going to talk to my uniform expert about it.

Well I'm stuck resewing a bunch of knots on my uniforms as I got the Award of Merit a few weeks back and need to add that one now.

To quote Darth Sidious, "Excellent, excellent."

If you are camping with a scout troop, you are a guest of them and covered. Now if you were doing den camping alone, you would need OWL ( or WeLOT whatever they are callign it now), but it is not a mandaotry requriement by national at this time. I say at this time b/c in the very near future (MAY?) national is goign to into a new outdoor trainign course for WDLs, SM, ASMs, and CAs with outdoor programs. So it will be "all in one Training." However BALOO will still be a separate course.

Oh god of wine and merrymaking, Gaucho is correct in that only the Powder Horn insignia is authorized to be worn on the left pocket of adults currently. One thing that is intersting is that the IG say's it's a Venturing Leader, when it was opened up to BS leaders as well a few years back. Here is the link from the online IG in ref to PH insignia. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide/08G.aspx What I find interesting is that the 2008 Uniform Inspection Sheet for Leaders STILL does not list PH as the emblem to be worn on the left pocket. ( look onder documents onthe SCOUTSTUFF.ORG website for inspection sheet) Gaucho, The new PH emblems now have clutchback pins. http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/ItemDetail.aspx?cat=01RTL&ctgy=PRODUCTS&c2=UNIFORMS&c3=UN_MISC&c4=&lv=3&item=4254

I wouldn't call it burn out, rather I would call it getting bored too quickly. That happened to me for a while. The campouts, while fun, were not CHALLENGING. Now grant you this started after I did my HA trip to Canada, which campouts couldn't compare to. Also there were other factors involved as well: need to work to support myself, and the LC wasn't doing as many seperate activities as they had doen in the past (partially my fault I must add). Luckily once I got into college and had more flexibility in the work schedule, I started camping on a monthly basis again. Thern again OA helped with the "challenging" aspect I was lookign for.

Upon reflection, I do have a complaint about Crazy Crow Trading Post: everytime I get their new catalog or bi monthly Crow talks, within 10 minutes they are soakign wet from me drooling on them. I blame CCTP for all the great stuff they have!

There is only 1 item I want from them, and that's a beaded Vigil Honor sash with legend on the back. Otherwise Crazy Crow Trading Post is the better place for Native American Craft Supplies. A little higher than Grey Owl, but better quality, and they do give a 10% discount for Scout groups if you purchase a certain amount. Never had a complaint with CCTP.

Ok My council is one of the pilot's, East Carolina, and the scuttlebut is that it is A) part of the Pamlico Sea Base, the council's HA base and thus subject to HA regs, i.e. 13y.o. by Jan 1 of year participating and First Class, etc. and B) they will be following some guidelines very strictly.

Be advised that these type of stoves are about to be banned in the next printing of the G2SS. there was a discussion on this over on MYSCOUTING.ORG on the topic.

DEs are running around behind the scenes with their necks chopped Some of the things I did besides fundraising back in the day included the following: Recruiting youth in the form of school visits and round ups. Early days and long nites. Also involved a lot of meeting with school board, superintendent, and individual school principles. Starting new units by contacting potential COs, organizing luncheons to get COs, etc. Work with district committee to assist in areas that need help. I helped with training, orgainzing district events, etc. Served as staff adviser to Cub Scout Family campout. served as COPE staff adviser (helped to be the only DE with a COPE cert.) that entailed training, promoting, and conducting courses. Served on summer camp staff. Staffed various district and council events. on call 24/7 especially in relation to YP matters. Yep I received and made 2:30AM YP calls. Also as part of summer camp staff, I had to do deal with a lost camper in the middle of the nite in a thunder storm. When I say I know former pros who make double or triple their DE salary, I am not joking. you do a lot of different things, and the experience is a resume builder. My current boss is sometimes surprised at some of the things I've done as a DE, especially since I did the job almost immediately after college. I have KSAs that some folks my age do not have, all b/c of working as a DE. trust me being a DE is not a 9-5 job. Long hours, and lots of weekends. That does put stress on families.

This is my advice, and you can take it or leave as you know what you den will need. 1) As already stated get trained NOW. I recommend Webelos Specific and the Scout Leader Intro to Outdoor Leadership Skills. I say IOLS instead of Webelos Outdoor Leadership because the I have been told that a new outdoor leader training covering Webelos, Boy Scout, and I am assuming Venturing topics (Venturing leaders with outdoor programs are now required to complete IOLS in order to be considered trained) will be comign out very shortly. Also take the HAzardouos Weather online training as that is now required for tour permits if memory serves. 2) Start developing a relationship wiht a troop, preferably one that is the "organized chaos" a youth led, patrol method troop. It helps with the following. A) starts the process for AOL and Moving on. B) can help provide opportunities for camping and other activities (let's not forget hiking and rock climbing among others) C) Help provide leadership in the form of a Den Chief. Trust me a good denchief is worth their weight in PLATINUM ( caps for emphasis) Just make sure you use your DC;) D) May help provide equipment and resources for your den's outdoor program. 3) Talk to the CM, and CC of your pack about your unit's traditional calendar. Some pack's will do the same things over and over, i.e family camp outs, PWD, Regattas, etc. You don't want scheduling conflict's on the unit level between the pack and the den. WEBELOS ARE CUB SCOUTS AND PART OF A PACK (caps for emphasis and a little bit of shouting. Pet peeve of mine when folks say Webelos are not Cub Scouts.) 4) talk to other WDLs at RT,a s well as RT staff. talking amongst your peers helps with A) ideas for meetings and B) Activities 5) Review the district and council calenders to again avoid scheduling conflicts and scheduling too much. 6) This is going to sound strange form a guy who is a camping freak, But I would NOT schedule monthly campouts until BS age. However I would use the pack, district, and council calendars to see where opportunities to go camping exist. At this stage there is such a thing as too much Scouting. 7) Also don't focus just on camping. Do a rocket launch. Do hikes. Do visits to museum os the USS NORTH CAROLINA, go to an Indoor climbing gym. 8) HAVE FUN ( YEP I'M SHOUTING AGAIN ) Overall You got the motivation and vision. That's great, just need a little seasoning. And like the youth you will make mistakes. That's ok, just as long as you learn form them. Again HAVE FUN!

WOW, now grant you I can understand not giving out every piece of advancement, my pack only gave out rank, i.e. Tiger Cub, Wolf, etc badges out, saving the beads and electives to the next pack meeting. Plus what is up with ending in April? My pack is year round, grant you the summer months are every other week and the focus is FUN, i.e. family campouts, baseball games, pool party, etc. But we are still meeting.

Zip, The 'Big Deal" with Tigers may depend upon how old the pack is and what traditions they have. Sometimes tradition is a hard thing to break, i.e. the pack that will not do a Crossover until May b/c that's how it's always been for the past 75+ years in the pack. You see once upon a time, Tigers were a separate program from CS. When they complete the school year, they first received a big, 3" square "Tiger Cub Graduate" patch. this was later changed to a Tiger Cub Graduate strip to be worn under the right pocket. Then when TCs were fully incorporated into CS, they did away with the strip. that's why may may see some 35 and under Scouter's wearing an orange backign with a 1 year star, to represent their year as a Tiger Cub.

Well since i am the one who started the "..You Might Be a Up" thread, I can tell you it was all in jest. For the original post on MYSCOUTING.ORG, the original poster there said he was making fun of himself. Apparently he takes the uniform a little too seriously.

Doc, Welcome to the forums. Since I am the one who mentioned improvements to camps, let me clarify. I do know that major improvements, i.e. new showerhouses, new buildings, etc to camp are part of capital expenses, not operating expenses that FOS covers. However operating expenses do cover general maintence, i.e. fixing roofs, painting buildings etc. In my council we have had one particular camp that has been neglected for some time. Hearsay had it that some folks wanted to get rid of the camp, hence the neglect. New SE came in, said the camp needed some work, and general maintence at the camp has been done. The maintencne has been so thorough that it looks like a new camp: buildings calked and painted, trails worked on, areas cleared out, etc. For us vols in the field, it was a MAJOR improvement, although technically speaking it was general maintence. that work had such an impact that we used the camp for a council event a few months after the OA Ordeal. First time in a very long time.

I'll take a stab at your question. In my expereince it was usually either A) someone who wanted to work with the Cubs or B) someone who had a little brother adn wanted to help out. Usually it was B. To get them to see the value, usually we asked them if they had a DC of their own, and if yes, what did they think of him. THAT always did the trick IMHO. FWIW, scouts love to haev the heroworship.