Eagle92

According to the CSDC National Standards only an 18+ RO is needed for shooting sports activities. ___ M41. BB-gun marksmanship (no pellet ____ ____ ____ guns) is conducted by a qualified range officer, at least 18 years of age. Additional adult supervision and guidance are provided, and minimum state requirements are met. All BB-gun range officers have successfully completed the BB-gun Safety and Training program from an authorized instructor, as outlined in Shooting Sports for Cub Scouting, No. 13-550. Check cards: _ _____________________________ Date trained _ _____________________________ ___ M42. Archery is conducted by a ____ ____ ____ qualified on-site range officer at least 18 years of age. Additional adult supervision and guidance are provided, and minimum state requirements are met. All archery instructors have successfully completed Archery Supervisor Training from an authorized instructor, as outlined in Shooting Sports for Cub Scouting, No. 13-550. Check cards: _ _____________________________ Date trained _ _____________________________

A few ideas. #1 have a program that is youth led. One that they have input into the activities and run them. #2 Give them leadership roles where they are responsible for teaching what they know. #3 Give them opportunities for High Adventure type activities.

good question. The wording is pretty poor. Looking at historical records, and the diagram in the IG, and it's provided on the url I provided, only 6 total MBs were worn on the sleeve.

Bac, What cards? Seriously though, Council registrar used a copy of my BSHB as the official record since it had all the dates and signatures in it. Ditto for the other folks who had problems.

While Black Eagle is a volunteer and not an official source, he does indeed have a good grasp of Uniforming regs and history. But is not always 100% correct. I've contacted him about his error in when the World Crest's requirements were rescinded and allowed for everyone to wear it. However he is still posting 1991, not 1989,and others are citing him and his incorrect information. Online IG found here http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide/06D.aspx states that Merit Badges on Required List for Eagle Cloth badges with silver border, Boy Scout, right sleeve, position 4 limited to six, merit badge sash no limit [bold for emphasis]. See list of merit badges for specific number. and this Optional Merit Badges Cloth badges with green border, Boy Scout, right sleeve, position 4 limited to six, merit badge sash no limit. See accompanying list of merit badges for specific number.

As one who had their records fouled up by council, I can tell you first hand that national does indeed check the dates on apps and will reject any Eagle app with problems. It may not hit your Scout at first, but it will come back to bite him. In my case the registrar would list the date someone earned rank and MBs as the date she entered it into the council's database (pre SCOUTNET), not the date on the advancement report. SOOO if you were listed on 2 reports, and she only got to the first one with you on it on one day, and that happened to be the one with your BOR, and the one that listed your MBs for the rank on the next day, council did reject the Eagle application 4 years later. OR if your BOR for Star was exactly 4 months form First Class BOR, but it took her a week to input the First Class BOR, and then your Star BOR get inputed the day she puts it in, which isn't exactly 4 months form 1st class, again national will flag it.

Greaves, I cannot answer for Anon above, but in my troop, we let the SM and CC deal with the adults. We told him, the ASMs, and the CC present at our annual planning conference that we only wanted registered adults who would not interfere on campouts, and they handled it. Only exception to that rule was the Webelos Overniter we would do, and maybe summer camp when we didn't have enough adults to drive and/or take off the week. Remember funny story about summer camp. I'm 20 years old and I am the "summer camp SM" for the b/c Iam the only registered adult there the entire time. CC stayed 2 days, and we had parents rotating in. But since they didn't know too much about what was going on, they just let me "in charge". SPL, and ASPL had a great camp that week.(This message has been edited by Eagle92)

Moose, Are you sure you are talking about Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills (IOLS) and not either Basic Adult Leader Outdoor Orientation (BALOO) or Webelos Leader Outdoor Training (WeLOT). As far as I can remember, the outdoor training a leader took was 3 days.

The challenge with moms, or dad who do not understand the program for that matter, is that they DO interfere and cause problems. In the example I gave as to why my troop's PLC said no moms, was that a trip that we planned a year in advance for WAS essentially canceled was that we did have moms with us as well as younger siblings. The scouts knew to pack for the weather, and were prepared for it. But since the siblings were not prepared for rain, it "wasn't fair" to let the Scout hike while little brother couldn't. Or "my son might get sick from the weather." So a hike that the Scouts wanted to do, talked about doing for a year, planned it at the planning conference, prepared for the month before hand, and rode 7 hours one way to do, was not doen because moms didn't want their sons to do it for whatever reason. Like I said, mom's aren't the only ones. Dads can be pains too. Heck I had one dad tell me that he picked the troop that he did because it was "more organized" with adults in charge than the others he visited which looked like the inmates were controlling the asylum. saw him a few weeks later at camporee follwoign his son around from event to event. I also concur with former CS leaders being a problem at times. I always noticed it took them 6-12 months after joining a troop to get it, and now that I am a CS leader I can see why. CS leaders got through at least 3 different specific leader training courses where it is reinforced that they need to do the planning, organizing, etc. Yoda said it best in reference to CS leaders: "You must unlearn what you have learned."

One thing my district is thinking about doing is reserving a local computer lab, have everything set up so that folks can do their training online, and have a few instructors there to help with questions. It's a compromise solution. As for outdoor skills, I've been told that #1 that will still be a weekend long event, #2 national will be combining WeLOT and IOLS, and possibly adding a few venturing things into it, and #3 the new outdoor course will be out some time next year now. As far as EDGE, it just reminds me of the old TELL SHOW DO from back in the day. Concur with KUDU that it is not a replacement for Patrol Method, but rather a tool the PL can use to teach his members.

I personally don't care what color is used. White on black would go back to it's origins though. My lodge growing up had a saying, " A clean sash is the sign of a lazy Arrowman," And we were proud to have stained sashes showing how much work we do. I paraphrased that quote above one time, and it did get me into a little trouble when I was a DE though. I was at my first Ordeal with my current lodge, and I was doing some really dirty cheerful service I show up at the the reception center covered in mud and soaking wet from the rain, and a guy I didn't know was on the executive board, but knew I was one of the new DEs, came up to me in spotlessly clean clothes and asked me didn't I know better than to sleep in the mud while it's raining (or words to that effect) and I told him in my old lodge, a clean Arrowman was a lazy Arrowman, and walked off to my chapter. Man did I get an earful went I went to the office a week later.

I know growing up in SE Louisiana that every day from about 1P to 4P we would get thunder, and sometimes lightening. We would have rain or no rain with that. But as a Lifeguard, I always enjoyed that during the middle of the day as policy was the trapdoor pool closed, thus out of the 8 'guards on duty, only 2 had to actually do work while the thunder was being heard. Agree with 'fish if we had to shut ops during thunder, shut down Scouting form May to Oct. in NC

Sorry been away on vacation. A training survey was basically a double sided sheet of paper with every single training that SCOUTNET has codes for. I got the list form both the District Training pamphlet, sorry can't quote exact name but it is VITAL in training role, and the registrar. I created the sheet, passed it out to the troops at RT and told them when I wanted it back by. I then did a spreadsheet with name and training codes only to help the registrar out, and sent a copy of all surveys and and the summary to the registrar. if you go to ECCBSA.org and look under training, the council training chair came up with a much nicer version than the one I made.

I hate to say it, but ALWAYS keep a copy of what you submit to council. Perfectly good example when I did the training survey, I not only kept a copy of every single survey, I also kept a copy of the code summary that I did on each person. When information was missing, I had a copy. When someone said they turned it into me, I was able rto show them my notes that stated he mailed the form directly to the office.

moose, Welcome to training. The reports that SCOUTNET can give you are the TRAINED and NOT TRAINED REPORTS for each level.So there would be 8 reports total: CS Trained and Untrained, BS trained and untrained, Vent trained and untrained, and district trained and untrained. Be advised that I am willing to bet that they are 95% inaccurate. Great example, I've done the old SMBLT, CSL Basic, Exploring Self Study, etc. I wasn't listed as being trained at all. Good friend of mine who was a 3 beader, wasn't "trained," and another friend was a trainer at PTC, but was considered untrained. What we did in my district, then later my council. was create a form that leaders can fill out listing their training and submit it for the SCOUTNET records. The current form, found at ECCBSA.ORG under training, doesn't list every course that SCOUTNET has a code for, but 99% of them have codes. I was told my registrar had questions about mine since I had a lot listed, but most of the training I went through was as a DE, and one of the FDs was still around when I came back into the area.(This message has been edited by Eagle92)

While the CSE is encouraging units to do family camping, I do hope that if a PLC decides that they do NOT want parents and siblings at camp outs, save registered leaders and members of course, than National will respect those wishes and not mandate the parents and siblings policy. Yes I was part of a troop that had that policy after a major trip was ruined by parents refusing to allow the Scouts to do the hike that they had trained and prepared for, as siblings who did several hundred of dollars in damage by allowing water to overflow from a bathroom sink that seeped to the basement classrooms. PLC and scouts were extremely upset that our 3 day weekend trip was ruined. On another note, this reminds me of a fundamental change that the BSA made in the 1970s when they took the OUTING out of ScOUTING. Scouting lost it's sense of adventure and fun when they did that, and the BSA has not recovered completely, despite evrythign that GBB did. Sounds like they want to make Boy Scouts Webelos III.

'box, Below are the requirements. Key is to find someone fluent in the language to do these requirements with. Now grant you when my other half was registered, I just gave her a Francaise strip without having her do the formal requirements for me, but since she took over a college level French class after the prof died, I assumed she cold meet the requirements since she was now teaching French I, II, and III. Youth and Adult members (Cub and Webelos Scouts, Boy and Varsity Scouts, Venturers, and Sea Scouts, plus Scouters in all programs) may wear this strip if they show their knowledge of a foreign language or the sign language for the hearing impaired by: 1. Carrying on a 5-minute conversation in this language. 2. Translating a 2-minute speech or address. 3. Writing a letter in the language (Does not apply for sign language) 4. Translating 200 words or more from the written word.

Sorry I don't have the exact page # in the book, but in the current IOLS manual, there is a page that explains that someone can "test out" by demonstrating the T-2-1 Skills to an instructor. I had someone point that out to me AFTER I was doing training. What I find kinda funny is that to promote mandatory training with scout leaders, FS, YP, SMS, and IOLS wil be conducted at summercamp and a good friend of mine is doing the lead instructor. Guess what though, he's not "trained" b/c he never went through IOLS, but is a MBC for Camping, Hiking, backpacking et al. He WILL be "trained" after this summer

Base, Remember Cub camping is FAMILY CAMPING ( caps for emphasis). most parents of Cub age youth and younger want everyone in one tent, hence the 'condos" and "Villa del Mares" I am not going to cram the wife, 3 kids, and gear into my 2 man backpacking tent. I also recommend that the parents use the seam sealant.

Sorry thought I stated that all SPECIFIC ( caps for emphaisis) will be online. Also I read on one of the training boards that no changes to IOLS and WeLOT will occur this year. SOOOOO the test out options still remains. And yes the skills checkoff is in the mice type of the district training book.

Mixed emotions on this one. While my troop growing up did not have a formal ban on moms attending campouts, after one trip the PLC decided not to invite parents and siblings on trips. That was in effect for at least 6 years while I was in the troop. Long story short, the Moms ruined a trip that we had planned, prepared for, and took 14 hours round trip to do. It was a ruined weekend and left a very bad taste in the our mouths. However we did have a trained female ASM, and didn't really interfere except for "major" safety concerns, and to teach her MB classes. I think the key is clarification AND the need for training on the parents' part, whether formal or a debriefing on how scouting works and how the scouts WILL fail and it is a learnign expereince. Better to fail at this level, than when they are older.

Well I went to the BS RT last nite, and part of the discussion was how CS were moving to advancement oriented meetings and troops may want to look at that model for planning their meetings.

Concur with everyone else. I made the mistake of leaving early from an event due to rumors of bad weather headed our way. And I stress rumors b/c while the weather forcast did predict a less than 50% of thunderstorms, somehows rumors started that severe weather was definately headed our way and most packs bugged out. Those packs and troops that did stay said it only lasted abotu 15 minutes and no thunder and lightening. I now have a weather radio and plan on taking it with me to all events now. tehr are some good ones out there, but I don't recommend a certain "shack" as their customer service is extremely poor. EDITED: removed the > sign to clarify. Been too long since I took math.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

Gary, i've had to deal with this type of situation as a CA, and can understand the SM's feelings. When a chapter has a history of missing events and activities, it ruins the reputation and work of the chapter. Once you lose the trust and respect, it does take a lot to regain it.

Crew, or put in a plastic patch protector that national now sells.