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Well this topic is gaining some attention on My Scouting. Apparently this idea has been in the works by the Risk Prevention folks since 2008, after some Scouts caused a major forest fire out west and cost the BSA $6.5 million to settle the lawsuit. The scouts were operating on a patrol activity.

GK, #1 Do you have a copy of the old BA22 syllabus, and can I have a copy? I went through the old course and I am dying to have a copy of the syllabus. PLEASE PM ME!!!! ( caps for begging not shouting ) #2 I did my troop level training this way back in the day. Don't remember the proper title, but the way it worked was as follows: A. Day Long. B. Divided into patrols with no one else form the same troop if possible. C. While SMs were present and advised youth staff, BA22 graduates taught all sessions. D. It was a round robin style with fixed stations and the scouts moving from place to place. E. Instead of trained patch got a temp patch for the event.

Echo what everyone else said; " Run for your lives!" Does the Charter Rep know about this stuff? How do other parents feel?

yep it's written somewhere in BSA literature, will look for it when I'm home. So no humans, animals, humanoids, aliens, or cyborgs, i.e. teh Borg and General Greiveous targets can be used. But you can use battledroids, droidekas, and magnaguard targets

Having problems with PM so I'll post my response here. Yep I am afraid that this may be true b/c national seems to be screwing up royally these day. From simple things like uniforms, i.e. the entire roll out process of the Centennial Uniforms, the new Venturing shirts, and now not having some types of socks in time for Jamboree scouts to get. To the more complicated things like including jargon in advancement, i.e. E.D.G.E. To serious stuff like including management techniques in training instead of leadership and skills instruction ( there is a BIG difference between a leader and a manager). To the two that are the foundation of scouting: taking the outing out of Scouting, i.e. the CSE's comments in reference to camping in the outdoors and the patrol method, which this policy will affect. Now I admit, I did not participate in any patrol activities without adults growing up. I did plan one, sought the SM's approval and was denied. At the time I didn't understand, but in retrospect I do: a 12 y.o. 2nd Class PL and a patrol 10.5 and 11 yo new scouts probably need an adult around just in case. but the option should be there for the older scouts who can handle this. I hope folks at national realize that this proposal is a VERY big detriment to the patrol method, and provides a very slippery slope to the destruction of the Patrol Method. We already have a problem with troops being run as Webelos IIIs. Ok off the soapbox.

Jeff, Th advancement policies and procedures book does state that no uniform of any kind needs to be worn at any BORs, including Eagle. That's national policy and it is something that anyone who sits on a BOR, especially an EBOR needs to follow. Now do I agree with it, no I do not. I think a uniform for a BOR, whether Scout, Sea Scout, national venturing, or local crew option, should be worn. The uniform identifies the indivicual as a member of the organization, and can tell us a lot about the young man and his experiences in scouting, i.e. Philmont belt, Jambo patch, OA flap, temp insignia, etc. etc. Every badge has a story, and can help the BOR in their questioning. BUT national says no uniform is required, and I abide by that. Me personally, I'ld rather have a Venturer wear a crew specific uniform, even if it was something as simple as jeans and crew polo or hoodie (that was my old ships uniform)than coat and tie, business casual, etc, b/c the uniform says something. But that's me.

Definite overcommitment. Neds to recruit recruit redcruit.

JBlake does point out something I've noticed in some of the historic literature. In some of the older literature, it does indeed show scouts wearing hats in uniform. This was pre 1940s if memory serves. Sometime int he 40s, if memory serves, the switch to having literature not showing Scouts with hats on inside occured. Why did this occur, I don't know. I know that cusomarily men do not wear hats in Christain Churches. That may be part of it. Another may be that the naval services, i.e. USMC, USN, and USCG do not wear covers indoors except when under arms. We had a lot of Vets serving as leaders, so maybe it's coming from that tradition?

one person on two reports, I bet they are multiple registered, i.e. an ASM who is on the training committee, or a MC in a MBC position. BUT wouldn't the member ID number prevent that? I would strongly recommend talking to either the registrar, the training staff adviser, or both to see what is going on.

Moose, To get the training updates do the following go to scouting.org then click Volunteer button, then Training button, and on the left hand side there will be Training Update Button and underneath Update Archives button. Be advised the Updates only go back to Nov 2009, and they can be published anytime during the month. May's came out mid-month, and did not include the new YPT guidelines. Also June's has not come out yet.

'Nut This was posted in the November 2009 Training Update Twenty councils will pilot required training for top leaders in 2010. Top leaders are Cubmasters, Scoutmasters, Varsity Coaches, Venturing crew Advisors, and Sea Scout Skippers. Plans are to require training for all top leaders in 2011, and all direct-contact leaders in 2012. (bold for emphasis) Direct-contact leaders include all assistant leaders and den leaders. Council training teams should begin to update training records by conducting training inventories of all leaders and begin preparing to make training more readily available. http://scouting.org/Training/TrainingUpdates/Archives/200911.aspx Grant you National may be revisign the timeline now, but up to when the May Training Update was published in mid-May, EVERYONE (emphasis not shouting) had to be trained by 2012.

Knotter, INTERESTING! Again I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like you may have a case for copyright infringement, which I do think is a very big deal. As an individual who did have to talk to three copyright lawyers I can tell you that after receiving their letters and phone calls there was MAJOR concerns. Long story short, letters requesting permission to publish cover art from three books in the Mississippi Library Association's monthly journal were sent to three publishers located in the WTC just prior to 9-11-01. Several attempts to get in contact with publishers as well as postponing the article were attempted and failed. 3 years later, wife is getting letters and phone calls. Luckily 2 lawyers got the idea that A) the article was a college paper that was submitted to a student contest ( without wife's knowledge BTW) B)the article was praising the books and recommending them for children's collections, and C) no monetary compensation was given. Third lawyer was a bull dog type and kept hounding and hounding. Finally when the comment that the publisher should pay for advertising in the journal b/c the article was praising the book and recommending it to the collections of every single public library in MS did they finally back off.

other options are the current green BSA ball caps,or if you can find an older yellow and blue CS hat, that is also allowed. I am also in favor of camp and event hats. Lots of folks I know got a Regional Jamboree and CS Family Campout hat that you missed in Kinston "Fish. But if you want to campaign hat route, get a surplus one, and then buy the BSA hatband and chin strap. Or you can go this route for a navy blue one from the UK, you would just need to replace the WSJ logo with a BSA Universal emblem. http://www.scoutshops.com/acatalog/WSJ.html

Me too.

While a hat is optional, it is a very useful uniform item like the necker. It protects your head form the sun, shades your eyes so you can see, gives you a little added warmth in the winter etc. Now I personally like the campaign covers, aka "Smokey Bears" I wear b/c the first one I received upon completion of Brownsea 22 and the second was issued to me for serving on staff of JLT back in the day. Depending upon formal event or regular old Scouting depends upon whether the good one of the "experienced" one. One caveat, you wear it, you will be noticed and people will think you are in charge even if you aren't I also own a Expedition hat, aka the brimmed hat. It's water proof, mine's been through about 7 hurricanes, and crushable so that it can take a beating. I wear that on ocassion, usually when I know bad weather is coming and don't feel like wearing smokey and the rain cover. Now one hat I like but do not own is the CS Leader Bush hat. However I noticed there is only one size available, and that means it's probably about to be discontinued. Although I know one place that has sizes still. http://scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/ItemDetail.aspx?cat=01RTL&ctgy=PRODUCTS&c2=UNIFORMS&C3=UHATS&C4=&LV=3&item=880CBH&prodid=880CBH^8^01RTL&

Folks, A very nasty rumor I've heard on MyScouting is that the next version of G2SS will no longer have the patrol activities exemption. This comes from a former poster on this forum who has lots of knowledge and connections within the national folks.

I know one crew adviser paid out of pocket to buy a bunch of the old shirts from a CA scout shop, we live on the east coast, so that his crew will have shirts available for some time. Also heard that one crew is thinking about dyeing BS shirts green. We'll see what happens.

I agree, #1 is the answer. If parent IS involved in scouting, but not in the OA, still #1 b/c knowing about the ceremony before hand will ruin it if the adult get nominated. Now if the parent is in OA, #2, #3, and #4 are in order. #4 taking him to the nearest Buffet

CNY, I myself encountered this same porblem, and was a victim of council not recording my training. Seems that there was no emphasis back in the day on maintaining training records. OOOPS What I did, and what my council modified was to create a training survey with the most common training courses, submit it to the units to fill out, and have them return it to the training chair. My advice would be to A) make sure the indiviual leaders keep a copy of the survey B) the training chair makes a copy prior to turning them in to council (I had to resubmit a few records) C)Make notes on who did not turn in records as well as those "sent them directly to council." ( long story short, PO's leader said I never turned in his info, and my notes stated we had a conversation in which he said he sent them to council directly) and D) HAND DELIVER (caps for emphasis) records to council. I actually went one step further, I did a summary sheet with each indiviual's codes listed without titles to make it easier to imput for the registrar. It was done during a school break and I had some extra time to do it.

Moose, from http://scouting.org/Training/YouthProtection/QA.aspx Q9: I am a Tiger Cub adult partner and ScoutParent. Do I need to take Youth Protection training? A9: The Tiger Cub adult partner and ScoutParent designations are not registered adult positions; therefore, mandatory Youth Protection training is not required. It is strongly recommended, however, that all adults involved in Scouting take Youth Protection training. All registered adults are required to take Youth Protection training. ( bold for quote)

I partially agree with Ghermanno. I too think that it's too big when the Scout can not come up with the Scout cannot plan adequately, and cannot show adequate leadership. Also when adults have to come in and take over, not advise the scout, but completely take over. As for success of failure, IMHO it's not about success of failure. Sure the project can be messed up due to lack of planning or lack of leadership on the Scout's part. And some evaluating needs to come into play and possibly a new project needs to be done. But one of the best Eagle projects I've seen was a complete failure overall. Life Scout wanted to reforest a bald cypress swamp that was deforested in the 1920s. He did a ton of research, talked to the experts at USDA about the proposed project, got a grant to get the trees, and raised the funds to make Nutria Guards that would protect the saplings. You see a non-native rodent called the nutria has invaded the area and destroys trees. These guards were thought to prevent the nutria from getting to the tree and killing it. Lots of time and energy went into making those , as well as planting hte trees in the swamp. 6 months later the Eagle went to see the results of his labor, and every single tree was eaten by the nutria.

Also Welcome to the forums fellow Tar Heel Scouter!

Thanks for the clarification. Some council's will not allow unit EBORs with a District representative on board, but want a District EBOR, which is allowed by policy. That's the way my council does things.

What does the troop's Patrol Leaders' Council want to do? it's the PLC's decision, so let them decide.

Welcome to the forums. As stated above sometimes permission is given, and sometimes the copyright protection has expired. Also there is something called Fair Use. Not a lawyer, But the wife has been threatened by copyright lawyers before Luckily it was handled and everyone was happy.