Eagle92

The 3rd ed. SMHB has a great explanation as to why wear a uniform. Don't have it in front of me, so i am not going to quote it now. Maybe when I get home, if I got time. My troop was a fully uniformed troop, and wew were also a "Hiking and Camping troop." We were out doing a campout, hike, or both, every month save December. And even in December we had a few scouts going to Wintercamp. We had a uniform inspection every week at the meeting. Yes we had guys coming and going to other activities, but they always had their uniform on a hanger to change into. Heck a good friend had his ECOH the same nite as my Sr. Ring Ceremony and Dance. I went to the ceremony in coat and tie with my date, and had the uniform hanging in the back. Went straight from the ceremony to the ECOH and changed into my uniform. Once the ECOH was finished, changed back into coat and tie for the dance with my date. Was not a big deal. Ditto the Chrismas Dance one gf had on the same nite as my troop's annual Christmas COH and party. However she was a little overdressed in her formal dress for the COH

No knot for NYLT, but adults can earn their third and fourth WB beads meeting criteria. NYLT emblem, like the JLT and BA22 emblems before it are considered temporary insignia, and are worn on the right pocket. If memory serves, adults who work staff can wear the emblem. I know I have one form when I was adult staff on JLT. I would send this link to him to verify that he really wants you to wear it in the wrong place? http://scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/images/pdfs/34048.pdf

Gary, I can also verify that Venturing was advertised in it's early days as the "Next Step in Scouting." That was how national advertised it to DEs when it was getting ready to come out in 1998, that's how I promoted it when I was starting new crews and converting posts to crews, and I can go one step further. A bunch of us DEs were told by the then Venturing Director that the Silver Award was going to replace the Eagle as BSA's top award. Lots of ticked off DEs in that class. As for recruiting camp staff, I did 6 summers at 4 different camps. It is truly "cheerful service" working camp as you are on call when you are not working ( 1:30 AM lost camper drill for real), long hours ( I routinely worked 60+ weeks at camp), and you can make 4 times the amount working at other places ( hence why I worked at a local pool in HS).

When we broke for activities, usually game time but other outdoor activities as well, Neckers, woggles, troop totems, hats, and shirt came off. usually we folded the shirt, placed the rest in the camp and laid it in out patrol corner.

Hadn't thought about it. But I think the camping requirement would make them ineligible. Besides they already have the CS Outdoor award to wear on their pocket flap.

LL, Brownsea 22 is completely different than NYLT is today as it was written by GBB and emphasized not only leadership, but also basic scout skills. We did the backpacking, camping, orienteering, pioneering, wilderness survival, etc etc. It was comparable to WB in my council growing up, and I was the only adult on JLT staff who had not gone through WB because I went through BA22 instead. eagle92 Cocky Curlew

Growing up my troop wore the field uniform, aka Class A's October-May, and the Activity uniform, aka Class B's May- October. Only time you saw us in Class As in the hot weather months was for travel to and from an event, dinner at summer camp, and COHs. Class B consisted of scout socks, pants/shorts, belt, Scout t-shirt, and hat.

Desert, I must respectfully disagree, except with the speaks his mind part. He is a cultured man, having performed in the opera, has keen sense of business as evidenced by all the work he has done, and cleans up rather nicely as evidenced by some of his earlier work for History Channel and others.

But Looking at the citations that Wikipedia uses, if given and reputable, is OK.

Also the OA is now considered "Scoutings National Honor Society," and Venturing is part of Scouting. Also the OA's purpose is to: " * Recognize those who best exemplify the Scout Oath and Law in their daily lives and through that recognition cause others to conduct themselves in a way that warrants similar recognition. * Promote camping, responsible outdoor adventure, and environmental stewardship as essential components of every Scouts experience, in the unit, year-round, and in summer camp. * Develop leaders with the willingness, character, spirit and ability to advance the activities of their units, our Brotherhood, Scouting, and ultimately our nation. * Crystallize the Scout habit of helpfulness into a life purpose of leadership in cheerful service to others. " I hate to say it, but there are a lot of Female venturers who do just the above. However I do wish the Corps of Discovery, as well as the Order of the Golden Dragons, honor societies for Venturers and Sea Scouts would be nationally recognized as well.

Stosh, Actually "Go Forth and Multiply" salute of the English WAS meant to be insulting to the French. The French knights promised to cut off the the fingers of any bowman they captured. When the Long bowman decimated the French forces, that was the English victory salute.

'Fish, It's not the V for Victory, as seen by Churchill, rather it's when the palm is facing you and your hand is in the V position. dates back to the Battle of Agincourt against the French, and I was told tha the American "Bird" is a polite form of the Agincourt sign.

The male-female relationship problems I've seen and dealt with occur with the Adult leaders, not youth. I've even seen coed sleeping arrangements with the German scouts I encountered, although their tents were large enough for the entire patrol. But I don't see that happening.

Have fun being a "Pinkie."

Team, Welcome to the forums. A more appropriate place would be the patch collecting thread. I know you are trying to raise money for your boys to go to Jambo, and that is not a problem, but every council is doing that. And some lodges too. Just wish my lodge would have put NSJ info on their flaps instead of circulating via word of mouth.

Short, how about Rovers 18-21? As for how Girl Guides are doing in the UK. I can tell you that the 1 GG troop I encountered when I was over there had a Queen's Scout as a leader. She didn't like some of the restriction on the GGs and she decided to start her own Scout Troop for those girls wanting to do Scout activities. She took 1/2 the GG troop with her. Also When I worked for Supply, we had one group of GS leaders buying our How To Book, Sparklers, and Program Helps. They modified PH to suit their needs. They stated that the BSA had better literature and program.

I nominate Mike Rowe for Chief Scout, is there a second

Crew, I feel ya on the special stuff going for only $10. I 2 had limited edition patches, and I donated one to a patch auction for camperships. They sold it for $5, and I paid $25 for it. I was disappointed and told the auctioneer the worth after the fact. Good news was that the buyer donated the patch to the Lodge for its display, so it's hanging up in the collection now.

I've seen it where Cubs and Venturing age youth are coed while the 11-14 year olds are divided into Scout and Guides, and i've seen it where each group has the option of all male, all female, and coed at all levels. My thoughts are too the later.

Like I said I have mixed emotions on this. I've also sold and tried to sell things on Ebay. As Beavah stated, I sold some of my collection in order to raise funds for grad school. Mostly NOAC flaps and CSPs I traded for at events. I also sold some WSJ stuff I had. Some sold, some didn't. But I did get enough $ to buy books for school. But it is upsetting when a collector/seller, goes to an event, and buys ALL of the inventory available for sale, and then you see it on Ebay a few days later. When my lodge discontinued distinctive border flaps, one person bought all the available ones in stock, and no one else had a chance to buy them. A lot of upset folks about that one.

Trainer, Are the new knots now being discontinued? As for ebay, I have mix emotions. While I do not like some current stuff being on the market, I have bought older items off of ebay to replace damaged and destroyed stuff I earned. I also have bought items that I couldn't afford at the time, or the store were out of at the time. That's usually NSJ and WSJ items.

Cook stove isn't needed if you can get a good supply of wood. While it's been a while, I do have fond memories cooking over a campfire But no camp should have a problem with a stove b/c many have cook offs and what not to keep the leaders' occupied. So most troops bring a stove or two and a few Dutch ovens. Also there are places that rent dorm fridges. What did the folks do last year, or is this the two scouts' first summer camp?

In all seriousness, my volunteers were wonderful, and helped me to not only provide a good program, but also did what they could to help me achieve my professional goals. My committee knew what I was going through, knew the problems I was facing, knew how I was attempting to fix them. They were behind me 100% And when I returned to the area 4 years later I was welcomed back with open arms.

Understand and sympathize. What about the two scouts, and maybe event he whole troop, picking up the supplies form the dining hall, and adding the stuff you can eat, and have hte troop cook their own meals?

Moose, Actually the volunteers are those beautiful cactus flowers, for the most part The needles come form the long hours, little pay and upper management.