Eagle92

EXCELLENT! I do have to agree with that.

Completely understand about new class. During swim tests a few months back, the LG watching one scout got distracted by someone asking him a question. Scout in the water started having difficulty and I reflexively jumped in did the upper arm grip and lower back thrust until the lifeguard jumped in with his tube. LGs didn't know anything about the procedure.

Just remember, you can no longer use liquid fuels with your homemade stoves. New policy sionce 12/09. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/Resources/policyonchemicalfuels.aspx

I admit the old, hand me down BSA mess kit I had as a scout was only cooked in one time as my troop did patrol cooking. So we used the patrol cook kit for 99.99999% of the time, the other.000001% was either foil cooking, or "survival" cooking, i.e. eggs in an orange, hamburger in an onion, paperbag bacon, etc. that was done indivivually. But we had the old BSA patrol cook kits.

Wasn't a crew, but a troop. My district created a troop whose sole purpose was to do a trip to Canada. Prior to the trip, we had one or two troop meetings, more info and itinerary meetiings, as well as 3 or 4 training weekends. After the trip, we met one time to share photos, stories, and get a $25 refund.

DG, At least your 250# "victim" floated. My 250+# victim during training was the head wrestling coach at a local HS, was solid muscle, and sunk like a rock. If I remember correctly, he had to do some sculling with his arms to stay afloat.

Actually Side stroke is considered a forward power stroke. So it is acceptable for it to be used for 75 yards. On a side note, anyone know the difference between the Side Stroke and the Lifesaving Stroke? I do just curios how many others do?

One handed/arm swimming is doable, difficult but doable. Had an ex girlfriend who was paralyzeied onthe left side. She prefered the backstroke, but could do a side stroke if needed. that said,I say use the Advancement policies so he can continue to advance BUT get this scout swimming. it is an im,portant lifeskill that may save his life.

wear what you want, although the uniform L/S shirts do roll up and have teh Swiss tabs on them. Grant you I think the tabs need to be a wee bit higher, they work. Now I've worn white turtlenecks, black turtlenecks,and red turtlenecks when I was with a troop and wearing red loop. When I worked for national, i did wear a gold one briefly, but I then started wearing a BSA windbreaker.

Sorry my brain goes 100 miles a minute at times. of course he woudl need to join ASAP and do all the prep work and prep trips prior togoing: Attend meetings, go on practice trips etc. Automaticallly assumed that.

I admit I created a ppt that combined TC, CSDL, and WDL training into one session. Long story short, we were desparate for trainers, and only had me and the DE, and both of use went through the old CSBLT when everyone was trained for all pack positions, so it seemed a no brainer. We di one joint session, then split all the DLs in one room and CMs and MCs in an other. Worked out pretty well. But it was challenging to use the BSA's ppt, as you cannot move the slides around. So I had to do screen captures of it all and rerarange the order. But now with online specific, life is good.

try it, you may be surprised. While a 17YO Boy Scout may not have much longer in the program, a 17yo Venturer does. You may help him spak an interest and get him involved with a local crew or ship.

Recognition is a very important thing. At one point the only time the OA was "recognizable" was at unit elections and call outs. Everything we did: service projects, runnign the trading post, etc, was pretty much low key. It became such a problem that parents didn't know that leaders were involved in the OA. What we did was start wearing the sash more often to get recognition. district camporee's campfire became an "official" OA event and all Arrowmen were requested to wear their sash. Further we got the Arrowmen more involved in the Call Out by having them come forward to form a "backdrop" behind the Ceremony Team, and had "sponsors" from their unit who would present them to the ceremony team, and then later help them get to our info session/chapter social as well as the Ordeal. Also we are having Arrowmen wear their sashes more often. It's working out well

My training via My Scouting's Validation ispretty much up to date, although a little inaccurate. They have me listed as completing a Philmont course, and instead of having me doing CSBLT back in the day they divided all the topics covered with the current names, i.e. CM specific, TCDL specific, etc. They have added the CS shooting sports certs I took locally, but haven't added my NCS cert from february. Don't know if national was suppose to add that one or what, but I'll be sendig a copy of the cert soon to the office. BUT to get the record accurate, I had to create a trainging survey form and submit it to the council. When I was training chair, only a handful of folks were "trained," and none of the WBers, training staff, and the one PTC Instructor were on that list, including me. I had to create a training survey, send it out, and send copies of the results to the office. Since I was unemployed at the time, I also coded the results to make it easier for the registrar to put into the system.

Dennison, WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!And yes I was shouting at ya ;)Also congrats for becoming CC for ya pack. Big resposnibility, but a fun one. And this is a great site for information, as well as using your Unit Commissioner and district training staff. What I've seen done when Webelos DENS (emphasis only, remember patrols are for Scouts in troops not Cubs in packs) is that the pictures of the patrol/den emblems are shown and they pick they pick the one they like via voting (any method works) Once the emblem is selected, then they work onthe name, with voting done again. Good luck

In my council the following as well: (Pick a Camp) CS Family Campout Fishing Derby Webelos Encampment ( res camp) CS Encampment (res Camp) regional jamboree ( had units from other councils invited and attend) Spook-a-ree (CS campout on weekend before Halloween) (Pick an area of camp) Weekend never heard of a Salamungundi before.

I agree with minimizing the book reading to near zero. Are there times when a direct quote or two is need forma book, yep. Cna an instructor use the book as a referecne, i.e. he forgot to make his note cards, absolutely. but reading from a book for the entire time is not the way to go; I could have read the book myself and not waste the time.

intertsing. But a few things. #1 some packs, mostly LDS units, still use the traditional 3 year program. So the term doesn't apply. #2 the way AOL requirements work, it is theoretically possible for a Web I in a non LDS unit to get AOL in March, April, May, or June if they have a b-day in Sept, Oct, Nov, or Dec. So again the term doesn't make sense. Someone who hasn't been in the field is playing around with terminology.

Don't know back in the day, but about 12 years ago, a unit had 3 months after the recharter deadline to get their paperwork in and processed, or they were considered a "dropped" unit and tenure started over. the 90 day grace was probably due to time lapse from when charter was received by the council, and when it was comopletely processed.

Google "Cub Scout family camp out" to get some great ideas. 3 things are a must: 1) BB GUNS 2) Archery 3) Fishing ( depending upon location of course). other ideas I've seen and used include climbing wall slingshots pumpkin sling shots tie dye ham radio operators historical reenactors (all eras) Rowboats ( ok haven't seen it YET, council is planning on using htem in Oct.) Nature Hike Fishing ( yep again, beleive it or not fishing is the #1 favorit activity at my day camp last year. Archery was 2nd and BB Guns was 3rd.) Belt Loop Midway Weather Marbles Map and Compass Voleyball AND depending upon location Swimming Bowling Video games For administrative guides, check out Southeast Louisiana Council's encampment guide. When I was there they put on a real big shindig (10K+ cubs and family members.) good luck.

vinyl clothsline works best for making Turksheads. Been making them for years and have them on my walking staves. Yep 550 cord is a pain to make them out of. Gotta try the neadlenose pliers, if I ever find the time.

Could he be refering to the SM Award of Merit? That award was originally given to SM from NESA, not the OA?

BP, Unlike Ordeal and Brotherhood records, Vigil records are maintained by national. par tof that is b/c national has to approve the Vigil application. And yes national can kick back an application if more info is needed, seen that happen. So they the OATP may be checking form their records. If the OA database is similar to NESA's, it can be easily verified over the phone (had to verify an Eagle through NESA one time).

Ok they are not square, but national is starting to make them bigger now. Ok gotta wash my necker, and rest of my unifrom now.

One nice thing about most of the lodge websites I've seen is a list of Vigil Honor members and Founders' Award recipients, amopng other things. So verifying some things are easy to do. Heck if you lodge has a history section with photos, you may find a pic of your SE as a youth in the lodge I know when I just started dating my wife many years a ago, she used her librarian skills to verify I was saying who I was. She found out alot aboutmy involvement in the OA,among other scouting related things.