Eagle92

Forgot to add Distinct Identity Uniform: what Sea Scouts and Venturers decide as their uniform on a local level. This comes from the days of Exploring, and is still in effect. ALSO Baltimore Area Council is expereimenting with an "alternate uniform" made by Under Armour. They have limited number of items, is limited to BAC members, and are expereimenting. 'Box As I said orginally, according to the BSA, the Cub Scout and Boy Scout uniforms are set in stone. Again only Sea Scouts and Venturers have the ability to create their own uniform on the local level, and even then under some circumstances, they must wear the nationally approved uniform, i.e. certain trainings, jambo, etc.. Ebay does offer a good way to get older uniform items, and usually at a better price. I strongly recommend wearing the complete, official uniform as often as possible. And I say as often as possible b/c I do beleive tehre is a time and a place for the uniform, and a time and place not to wear a uniform. backpacking, service projects, conservation work ,etc is not the time to wear a uniform, except maybe at dinner. Also travel to and from activities.

Short, I must respectfully disagree. Wearing a scout t-shirt or golf shirt with the rest of the field uniform, i.e. socks, shorts/pants/skirt/cullotes, belt, and optional hat is called an activity uniform, commonly called a "Class B." An old poster here and I got into a big row on this topic on another website. Ultimately this was the conclusion that came about as we both cited where we got our information from, all BSA sources. Sorry the link to that group is no longer available, as Myscouting.org no longer gives you access to groups. Field uniform: official hat, necker, slide, shirt, belt, pants/short/skirt/cullotes, socks. Allliterature talks about this. Activity uniform: scout t-shirt or polo vs. official shirt currently in SM Specific training syllabus. Also BSA came out with an offical activity uniform in the 1990s of the the following: tan shorts and colored polo designating what you were, i.e. tan polo with universal emblem and Varsity on it for Varsity Team members, red polo with universal emblem for Scouts and leaders, and maroon polo with universal emblem and Venture for Venture Crew(now called Venture Patrol) members. See the 1990s BSHB for that. Dress Uniform: grey trousers/skirt, black leather belt,, white shirt/blouse, navy blue coat, uniform dress tie, and pocket dress emblem. In the insignia guide. Camp Uniform: any CUB SCOUT t-shirt. I stress CUB SCOUT as I have only seen a reference to this uniform in CSDC and CSRC NCS books.

I admit I have a bunch of stuff on most of my uniforms; 2 rows of knots, jambo patch, temp insignia, OA insignia etc, etc. And prior to becoming a CS leader, I had no problem with it because it was what I earned, was worn in the proper location, and I came from a troop that wanted you to wear what you earned. the theory was that you wore what you earned to A) to show your accomplishments and B) motiviate the younger scouts. It was pretty effective too. But when I went into CS, I am seeing all kinds of stuff being worn, and most of it improperly on both Cubs and Leaders. Mentor pins, advancment towards ranks devices, patches in wrong places, patches that don't fit on pockets, multiple temp insignia, ad nasueum. Some leaders don't know any better as they are new, but others do know better and don't care. And that expereince has made me reconsider my old troop's approach. I recently updated my old Sea Scout uniform. Ok I actually got new items because when I removed insignia no longer allowed on my old shirt, you could tell a patch use to be worn there. The Sea Scout uniform utilizes teh KISS approach with minimal insignia. While I'm a traditionalist and am not happy with the removal of some uniform items, the "bugs" on the Dixie Cups and unit numbers really got to me,overall I am pleased with its appearance. No temp insignia, no unit numbers, no jambo patches EXCEPT at jambo, etc. As for the Smokey Bears, don't be messing with my Smokey Bear

Emb is correct in that Venturers could wear ANY gray shorts or pants since day 1, especially since national didn't make shorts for over a year afgter Venturing was officially started in Aug 98 and 2 years after that.

What I find rather interesting is that the US is looking to Canada, the UK, France, and others for examples. But the person who pushed for Canada's medical system has stated it is a mess and needs reform. The UK is cutting back on funding NHS. And France is actually looking at the US model of healthcare.

Watch it Vig just remember what our president said "So it's true, freedom is not free, and the United States Marine Corps will pay most of your share."

As i was taught way back when in Camping MB class at summer camp, ok I actually read the MBP prior to summer camp and was ready for the class, each type of tent has advantages and disadvantages. I love my 2 man A frame, but need the space of my 7 man dome when family camping. Can't wait to wean the kids off their "supplies"

Also forgot the the Sea Scout Drill Manual found here http://www.seascout.org/downloads/Program/Drill_manual.pdf HAND SALUTE: This command is given from the POSITION OF ATTENTION. On the preparatory command of HAND, prepare to react. On the command of execution SALUTE, smartly raise your right hand, keeping the upper arm straight, parallel to the deck, with your hand flat, palms straight, canted slightly inward, thumb along the side, fingers straight and joined touching the edge of the cover. If uncovered, touching the eyebrow or top corner of eyeglasses. The salute is cut on the command of READY, TWO. On the command of execution, TWO, snap your arm down, returning to the POSITION OF ATTENTION.

from NavMac 2691 found here http://drummajor.net/documents/USMC%20Drill%20and%20Ceremonies%20Manual.pdf (1) The command is HAND, SALUTE; TWO. (a) When SALUTE is given, raise your right hand smartly in the most direct manner until the tip of your forefinger touches the lower part of the headdress above and slightly right of your right eye. Your thumb and fingers should be straight and touch each other. You should be able to see your entire palm when looking straight ahead. Your upper arm should be level with the deck and your forearm at a 45- degree angle. Your wrist and hand should be straight, a continuation of the line made by your forearm. At the same time, if not in ranks, turn your head and eyes toward the person or colors you are saluting. (b) At the command TWO, return to attention. Move your hand smartly in the most direct manner back to its normal position by your side. © To ensure simultaneous execution of the second movement of the hand salute when troops are in formation, the preparatory command READY will be used prior to the command of execution, TWO. (2) You may salute without command from attention, while walking, or while seated in a vehicle. When walking, it is not necessary to halt to salute. Keep walking, but at attention. The salute is rendered when the person or color to be saluted is 6 paces distant, or at the nearest point of approach if it is apparent that the person or color is not going to approach within 6 paces. The salute will not be rendered if the person (color) to be saluted does not approach within 30 paces. Hold the first position of the salute until the person (color) saluted has passed or the salute is returned, then execute the second movement of the hand salute. (3) When the command PRESENT, ARMS is given, it not armed, you execute the hand salute on the command ARMS. Stay at that position until the command ARMS or ORDER, ARMS is given.

WOW I found something that both the President and I agree on! "So it's true, freedom is not free, and the United States Marine Corps will pay most of your share." That quote can be found about 1:16 into this video. Happy Birthday Devil Dogs!

That is the command given after saluting in the military.

I hate to say it, but things can and do happen in surgery. Maybe our current health care system is so good, that people ignore the possibility of death when procedures are done. Give you an example, I knew someone who died while having an endoscopy being done. Everything was done by the book to the letter, but they died nonetheless. A friend of the family died in heart surgery. Everything went well, they were about to sew him up, even told the family to go get a bite to eat. Within minutes of the family going to get food, something happened and he died. If it sounds as if I am callous, I am not. but I think the perception is that surgery is going to work 100% of the time, and that is not the case. And some people want to blame someone. And sometimes folks do look at a paycheck when things don't go their way. I was in the emergency room, and the person next to me started a conversation. We chatted, and she wasn't satisfied with the treatment her physician was giving her. So she decides to go to the emergency room to get a second opinion, and said that she was thinking about suing her physician, if there was a different diagnosis. #1 that ED visit is more expensive that her going to another doctor for a second opinion, thus raising medical costs. #2 She was looking for a payout.

'82, Oh yes I looked into it. Unfortunately this place is the cheapest in town. Luckily there is no long term contract, just monthly fee. Can stop at anytime, and come back at anytime.

Unfortunately there are colleges out there that will accept anyone, and keep you in school as long as you pay. No expectations from teachers. Unfortunately I went to one of those, didn't learn much form the courses at that school except 1 (my program had me taking 1/2 my courses at another university where I did learn something) and got the master's. Luckily a lot of what I needed to know I already learned doing the first masters, which was NOT a cakewalk, or I got "tutored" by the wife who had the degree from a respectable university. You know it's bad when the prof shows up 45 minutes late to an all day class, and then let's us out 2 hours early to "do research for our paper." Forgot to add that we had to buy his personal junk for part of the project. Luckily I was able to get something I was interested in, a CD-rom on local Native Americans. As for my comrades, some have jobs, others don't. Those in my program, which again did 1/2 the work at another university, wound up with jobs.

Gern, If memory serves, some state bar associations require that lawyers do a specific amount of pro bono, or "for the good of the public" work, i.e. free lawyering. So there are ways for those who cannot pay to get help. Also most law schools provide some type of free legal help via their students, so that they can gain expereince. EDITED: Those students do a lot of the grunt work, and then bring in lawyers, sometimes profs and sometimes alums, to deal with those issues only a lawyer can deal with. Also a lot of lawyers will work on contingency, they don't get paid unless you win the case. Now my question is this: what about the doctor who was sued, and the plantiff was never a patient of his, why should he have to pay to defend himself when he was never involved?(This message has been edited by Eagle92)

Sailing, What you are saying doesn't surprise me. When I taught college History, my "younger" students expected me to just give them an A for showing up as the concept of working for it, i.e. doing the reading, participating in class, writing papers,and passing the exams, was a foreign concept. Heck I had one student tell me "You must pass me as my company is paying for the course," and another student complained to my dean when I told her that she needed to consider going pack to school like a part time job that: short term there is a lot of sacrifice, long term the benefits are great. I am also seeing it with the HS students I need to work with at my job who are working on their projects. They have no clue on how the real work works.

Official answer is no, you must stick with official uniform items. Ebay is great fro finding older official uniform items. I know being in Geneva can be a pain to get stuff, but maybe relatives in the states can get the items and then ship it to you?

Gern, You would be surprised at the number of lawyers who do pro bono work or contingency work. Also you talk about the family of modest means. What about the physician I mentioned who had to hire an attorney and deal with all the legal aspects of goign to court, etc, and HE WASN'T EVEN THE PHYSICIAN WHO TREATED THE PLANTIFF (caps for emphasis, not shouting.). By having the loser pay all costs, will make people think do they have a legitimate case to pursue? Then again after the jury that awarded millions to the lady who spilled coffee on herself, I don't know.

Sorry you're wrong their. if you look at hospitals and caring for the poor, then the 'religious right" have beent he ones who took care of folks for centuries. Within the Catholic Chruch for example are a multitude of religious orders devoted to caring for the sick and poor, i.e. Mother Theresa of Calcutta and her religious order. In times of disaster,I know one of the local Baptist churches sends volunteers out to help. And I cna go on and on.

Gern, I hate to say it, but labor unions had a small part to play in our manufacturing ability's demise. I'll give you a great example: Higgins Industries of the 1940s, the ones who built the Higgins Boats of WWII. Andrew Higgins was a big proponent of unions, and had no problems implementing a union shop. However his #1 concern was his employees, and when AFL officials started abusing their members, Higgins allowed his employees to vote on staying with the AFL, joining the CIO, or doing away with unions altogether. His employees decided to go with the CIO. AFL sued, and before the case went to court, Higgins realized how expensive it would be and decided it would be cheaper to close the company. So he just closed down his 4 or 5 factories, rather than deal with the lawsuit.

Good question. If the religious orders that handled New Orleans hospitals were the norm, and they were, they took all comers.

One very simple tort reform would be for the loser to pay all court costs and legal fees, in addition to any fines, penalties, and awards. That way the plantiff who decided to go ahead and sue the wrong physician I mentioned int eh MS court case would have had to pay for the defendant's legal fees, instead of having the physician paying for his own defense.

Gern, Nope. Forgot to add they also looked to their churches. Why do you think many hospitals have religious connections.

Gern, You wouldn't believe some of the crap I've heard in reference to lawsuits. Patients suing docs despite ignoring the doc, docs being sued trying to provide some help at the scene of an accident, docs being sued b/c the have the same name as a dead physician, ad nauseum. Then you got billing and that bureaucracy. Today every procedure has a code, and if you put the wrong code, you may not get paid. Now that may sound like an easily fixable problem, BUT the government will not allow you go go back and fix the code after they pay ya. AND if your code disagrees with the hospital's, NEITHER one gets paid, and if you were already paid, you need to pay it back with penalties and interest. Example if the doc's office uses code 518.83 chronic respiratory failure, but the hospital uses code 518.84 acute and chronic respiratory failure, guess what, both the doc and hospital don't get paid or both are fined. Also if Medicare/medicaid disagree with a doc's diagnosis, unless there is a second medical opinion supporting the original doc, guess what, Medicare/aid won't pay. AND even if there is a 2nd opinion, they do sometimes deny it, causing the hospital and doctor's office $ to appeal the decision. Guess who has to pay the costs of the 2nd doctor's opinion, appeals process, and beuracracy needed to keep track of all this stuff. The Patients do!

Gern, What did folks do before Social Security? They looked to family and friends for help. Problem was that the Great Depression was so massive, it effected nearly everyone. FDR tried this idea out, which is Keynesian Economics, and it didn't help get us out of the Depression, and some economists say it made it last longer. Only WWII was able to get us out of the Depression.