Eagle92

As Woapalanne said, we will have to wait for the requirements to come out. If I had to guess, I bet it's for anyone who was a member as a youth and is now involved as a leader.

Well CS son earned is 2010 Bobcat and Tiger. Hopefully the 2010 Wolf as well, he's almost finished. YOC with the ribbons, and the Grand Centennial Parade, both the CSP they issued as well as the trading post one I bought.

Gern, I understand, but I acknowledge it is sometimes hard, very hard, not to. I'll give you a story that had my blood pressure boiling. There was a lady who was complaining about no longer getting money from the government to help pay her rent and utilities. She was a Katrina refugee, and qualified for government and NGO aid. She was complaining b/c after I believe 18 months she was no longer going to get aid. Grant you needed a bunch of new stuff b/c she did lose everything. But every thing, and I do mean everything, in her new apartment was not only brand spanking new, but also top of the line. No thought about what would happen when the aid came out. Now my mom was also a Katrina refugee. But b/c she did have flood insurance, she received very little aid, basically vouchers to help get her some clothes and meds for a month. When she finally got her claim check, she did buy furniture, appliances, etc. But she went to thrift stores, unfinished furniture stores, etc. because she knew that she also had bills to pay while she relocated. Kinda hard not to judge.

My HS did food drives for Thanksgiving. Used the local churches to find people in need. For the most part, they were truly folks in need, and I had no problem helping them. None whatsoever. But there was one family one year that really upset me. They had a large screen TV, large for the time not nowadays, top of the line brand, new stereo system, brand new Nintendo and games, as the kids were dressed in name brand clothing. Needless to say I was ticked. Esp. I was one of those who was on the school's job study program, was working park time to help support myself, had second hand clothes and stuff. Yes some people do milk the system.

Kids want the recognition, for the most part at least as you do have a few odd oens out there, so what is up with the leader? Is is problems with the kits? Yeah I noticed the immediate recognitions kits are a little stiffer and harder to put on then when I was a Cub. Also notices the lascing is more of a pain to use too. To make it easier to put on and off, I drilled new holes in the piece, and problem was solved. Tried differnt knots and ways of securing the TC beads, and gave up. I went ahead and used some leather thong and then the problem was solved. Now some kids like the bling. Mine prefers to wear last year's CSDC patch with the pirate ship on it. Esp since I showed him how the council took that design, and used it for Jambo CSPs this year.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

did I mention that as Cub Leaders they nominated each other for OA? Yeah, really ROTFLMAO Seriously though, only once have I seen a Cub Scout Leader nominated for OA. Her registered position was a CM, and she was nominated b/c she was also the ranger's wife and worked at camp almost every weekend.

I found something here http://nega-bsa.org/ Announcements From National Council New Award Recognizes Active Alumni In the coming months, a new patch, the BSA Alumni Award knot, will begin appearing on some Scouting volunteers uniforms. The red, blue, and gold square knot will designate its wearer as a Scouting alumnus who has helped other Scouting alumni reconnect with the program. (A lapel pin is also available for civilian wear.) Developed by the National Alumni Task Force, the award recognizes accomplishments in four areas: alumni identification and promotion, alumni engagement, personal participation, and personal education. Specific requirements include doing things such as helping to plan an alumni event, convincing unregistered alumni to register with Scouting, and completing online alumni training. The requirements are toughand thats by design, said Bill Steele, the BSAs director of Alumni Relations. We expect these folks to work just as hard as alumni as they did as Scouts and Scout volunteers. All requirements must have been completed after June 1, 2009. Applicants must be currently registered with the BSA, and their award applications must be approved by the local council Scout executive and Alumni Relations committee chairperson, along with the National Alumni Task Force. For complete details on the new alumni square knot, visit http://bsaalumni.org. Note that youll need to be registered on the site (a free process) to access the award information.

I hate to say it, but I know Gilwell Park was experimenting with a "non-outdoor" WB as early as 1995. I had the choice of going to the WSJ in Holland or doing WB at Gilwell, and picked the WSJ after I heard about all the changes they were doing.

My pack does have a facebook page, I do not believe it was intended to replace the pack website as it is essentially by invitation only, i.e. you have to ask to join the group and get approved. Only folks outside the pack who have access are the SM and CA for the CO's troop and crew, the DE, SE, and our UC I don't know why it was created as not many people use it. Our CM created it, I post on it, and that's the extent of it's use. There are issues that need to be aware of. You need to limit who has access to it. Because if you don't you may find some of your unit's pictures used for advertising purposes overseas. Yep one family in the USA had a FB pic used in an advertising campaign in the Czech Republic. It was a Christmas card pic that was sent to friends, and posted on FB. Unless you specify thet FB cannot use the image, they can and will. What is your main purpose of having a FB page, communications between members, recruiting or some other purpose? Who oversees or monitors the page? Are there issues or concerns that a unit should address or be aware of?

Vol, In my neck of the woods, the hospitals are forming subsidiary companies in which doctors' practices have been sold to company. That way all billing, med records, etc are handled by the subsidiary, and the docs do only medical work.

never heard of such a rating system with troops, packs, and/or crews/posts. Now I have heard of Sea Scout ships being rated, depending upon if they were traditional Sea Scout, non-traditional with a sailing focus, or non traditional with a non sailing focus ( i.e. scuba, oceanographic, etc)

Kudu, With all due respect, you constantly, CONSTANTLY (caps for emphasis, not shouting), give the 'workaround" on almost every single post: Yours at 300 feet, I think the key to getting the word out about PM is to get on IOLS staff, and talk it up, talk it up, talk it up. Or better yet, get some of your older scouts to staff the course with you. let those older, experienced scouts do the instruction, as they should be doing with your younger scouts. Just a thought. E92

Beav, I do know in Canada it was illegal for docs to perform procedures that were not approved EVEN if the patient had the resources to pay for it! That court case went all the way to their SC, where the CSC stated that Canada's universal healthcare system had led to the deaths of its citizens; that folks who wanted to have private insurance could have it; and docs could do procedures not approved by Canadacare if the patient was willing to pay out of pocket for it. There is now a run on private medical practices, in which you must subscribe to healthcare provider and pay out of pocket for services. OGE, Sad this is, you are 110% correct on that last one!

Dennis, Growing up, the SPL worked with the SM to provide an agenda for the PLC. We didn't have formal rules like Robert's Rules etc, got intro'd to them with the OA, What we did do was have an agenda, and anytime we got off track either the SPL, or in rare cases the SM, wold tell us to "Let's focus on the agenda and bring this up later." In my troop at least, we didn't have ASM advisors to the older scouts in PORS, aka Leadership Corps, and to be honest the adults most of the time would listen to the scouts when it came time to get equipment. The adults learned form expereince on that one though. When we lost all of our tents to mildew (another group at the CO used our brand new fiberglass shed as a dartboard, you can imagine the damage), the treasurer was told that we wanted one specific type of tent, basically what we had before but more updated. Well he found a different type of tent, one that was a pop-up ( i.e. one that all you did was take it out the bag, lift the top, and all the poles inside the sleeves would automatically connect and the tent was up), on sale dirt cheap, about $30/tent b/c they were discontinued. WWWWEEEEEELLLLLLLL everythinks 'ALRIGHT EASY TENTS!" but #1 the tents were actually difficult to set up b/c we were used to setting up normal tents #2 the poles were very flimsy and broke, #3 the if one pole broke then the entire tent wouldn't set up properly. That was one fun trip let me tell you.

I have to laff at OGE's comment: To be a sucessfull physician you need to be supremely self-confident, totally believe you have the answers the patient needs and the skill to provide them. At least that's who I want working on me and my family. I laff b/c many of the physicians I deal with are just like that. Heck one of my coworkers describes Docs as worse than fighter jocks. But if they don't know something, they admit it, and do the research to get the answers. And those are the ones you want. Those are the ones that are also bristling at some of the rules and regs they need to follow, as well as the ones who complain the most and loudest at the paperwork they need to do. They want to take care of patients, not deal with the bureaucracy.

Kudu, Don't knock all of us Den Leaders! Some of us are chomping at the bit to take our dens outdoors when the weather improves a little, helping to organize pack and/or district camping activities, and wait for the day when our den moves up to Boy Scouts, and say to them when they come to us with a question, " have you asked your PL?" Seriously though I do see the problem, and I see it getting worse in the future. If BSA goes the way of other organizations, and look at the CSLST being online so it is, it will get to the point that trainers pop in a DVD and just monitor the training,being there to answer questions. Luckily there is no way to do that with IOLS and other outdoor skills courses, and that is where we need to focus our efforts. Now in reference to patrol activities, for the moment they are still allowed. The online version of the G2SS found here http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx , which is supposed to be updated every quarter according to the printed G2SS, still states the following: Leadership Requirements for Trips and Outings 1. Two-deep leadership: Two registered adult leaders, or one registered leader and a parent of a participating Scout or other adult, one of whom must be at least 21 years of age or older, are required for all trips or outings. There are a few instances, such as patrol activities, when no adult leadership is required. (emphasis mine) Coed overnight activities, even those including parent and child, require male and female adult leaders, both of whom must be 21 years of age or older, and one of whom must be a registered member of the BSA. So patrol camping without adults is still allowed for the moment by the BSA. HOWEVER as strict as some state laws are becoming, leaving a group of teenagers without adult supervision in the wilderness could be considered negligence in some jurisdictions. Again I am not a lawyer, but if the old OA Tap Out Ceremony cwas considered "child abuse" in some jurisdictions, I would not be surprised if letting them out without adults would be outlawed somehow.

Box, When WB21C came out, I know of one CD who was very, very, VERY upset with the changes. Yes publicly he supported the new course, he really had no choice in the matter. BUT if you knew him well enough, and talked to him privately, he was extremely angry with the changes made. Whether we like the new course or not, I think that all of us agree an advanced outdoor skills course is needed.

Actually the search program of GOOGLE is the key. Don't know all the details, after all the two guys who created it WERE working on the PhDs ( before they made a killing in publishing GOOGLE which was one, possible both as I don't remember exactly, their PhD dissertations. The "------ and ------" is called a Boolean search term, and helps narrow down searches. That and using quotation marks around key terms in searching.

Vol, In reference to polls and physicians, have you looked at some of the newer "upstart" medical journals? While JAMA and NEJM haven't done any polls, some of the newer medical journals, I believe the one I read having polls is called NG Med, have and state that the majority of physicians in their survey believe as you do. ( sorry I can't name them as I just do a brief scan. NG Med is one I look at b/c it does have info I can use as) Further over 50%, sorry can't give the exact figure but is was a majority and surprised the heck out of me, said that if they knew now about the field prior to entering med school, i.e. Medicare reimbursement, malpractice insurance, state and fed regs, ad nauseum, they would NOT go into medicine. In fact the journal was started by a physician who got sick of practicing, and decided to do reviews of the latest technology and electronic information sources aimed at the medical field.

Sailing, While Seascout.org may not be as pleasing to the eyes, it is 110% easier to use. Info is very easy to find and the search engine works very well over there.

Beavah, From the doctors I talk to, interact with, and read about in the polls taken in their professional journals there are several reasons why we have few General Practitioners (GPsP. 1) MONEY. Medicare/Medicaid do not remotely cover all the expenses involved in healthcare. GPs get less reimbursement than any other physician. GPs, like other physicians in practices, have to pay for the office, equipment, supplies, nurses, FNPs, PAs, business mangers,transciptionists, record keepers, coders, and other office staff to keep it running. One physican commented that they paid a plumber more than Medicare paid them, and the doc had more expenses. The sad thing is that unless GPs get paid more yo are going to see fewer GPs and a lot more NPs, PAs, and more folks visiting emergency rooms and immediate care facilities. Further you are going to see more "hospitalists:" physicians working only in the hospitals that do the role that GPs doing rounds would have done. So if you go in for appendectomy on one hospital visit you can have 1 hospitalist, and on the next a different one. Where as traditionally you would have the same GP taking care of ya. Again from conversations and interatcions with docs, what Medicare/Medicaid do, the insurance companies follow. Medicare/medicaid has already hired auditors who get 10%-15% of any 'fraudulent charges." A fraudulent charge could simply be the physician's office used one code, say 518.5 pulmonary insufficiency following trauma and surgery, where as the the hospital uses 518.81 pulmonary insufficiency following trauma and surgery: acute respiratory failure,so that both the physician nor the hospital have to repay what they were originally paid PLUS possible penalties. Or it could stem from "an illegible signature" on a form, when that exact same signature is recorded as such for a particular doc. So guess who is now hiring auditors.

You are going to love what I do to find things on the BSA's website. I type in my topic "and scouting.org" in google. For example NALYE and Scouting.org

Platy, Sorry to hear that. And deliberately trying to make any scout, let alone your SPL, fail is NOT ACCEPTABLE as others have stated. Why is he still SM? I hate to say it, but it's time to move on. But if you are staying for a while due to other obligations, then might I suggest the following. Try to make the most out of the bad situation, and be as successful as possible. Get your SPL to work with your PLs and other youth leaders; QM, Scribe, Instructors, etc. Get things organized and done in advance so that he doesn't need to get involved, and if he does interfere, then the scouts will get upset, who in turn will get the parents upset, who will in turn force the issue. Unfortunately it sounds like you got folks who don't listen to youth. Sometimes folks will do this exact thing in real life. I had a boss like that: tried to make it so that I would be fired because I wouldn't play his games. And while I did eventually leave becasue of him, while I was there it really ticked him off to no end that I surpassed my goals and met the requirements for a bonus, national recognitions, etc.

OGE, In my limited experience as a youth doing BORs back in the day, we didn't have that problem. Usually it was a "Green Bar" member, now called a PLC member, that sat with the adults, and the youth in most cases knew how to open the scout up and talk about any problems or concerns. Grant you having a new PL sit on a BOR for the first time can be interesting, remember " How do you clean a Dutch oven" question above , But overall the the scouts selected to sit on the BOR knew a little about the scout, knew if there were any problems, and knew how to get him involved.

CC, #1 WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!!!!!!!!! #2 As others have stated, Wolves and Bears WILL be doing different things than Tigers and Webelos. that's how things are set up. #3 Your WDLs should be organizing their own activities, especially outdoor ones like hikes, Webelos Den camping, visitng troops, etc. that the Wolves and Bears cannot do. Good luck