Eagle92

Seattle, I too belong to one Catholic Church's troop, while attending a different Catholic Church. Some ways to get involved and increase visibility would be some of the following: 1) helping clean up during the parish fair as a service project. We also had a hotdog and lemonade stand as a fundraiser. 2)assist with the parish's Thanksgiving and /or Christmas food drives. 3) provide manpower to help clean up the church and grounds, especially around Christmas and Easter. 4) cut the palms for Palm Sunday Services. 5) help provide manpower to other organizations in the church. One troop locally helps the Knights of Columbus raise funds for Special Olympics by doing the Tootsie Roll sales. Good Luck.

Seattle, try this website for starters http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/HispanicInitiatives/Resources.aspx As someone mentioned, an hour long RT won't cover the topic adequately. Trust me, I did the pro training at PDL-1 and additional training at NLTC 1998. And I still don't know everything. The website I gave you has contact info at national. if your DE won't call, then you call. When I was a pro, they were the most helpful and knowledgeable folks on Hispanic recruitment.

The plaid jacket if memory serves, was a Boy's Life incentive for pros in the 1970s. My SE has one and wears it all the time.

It's been posted that all BSA pubs were being updated. So more than likely there will be a 5th ed. Mt 2nd ed. has been used sooooooo much that the cover is no longer on it from wear and tear. I loved that bookand have used some of the ideas in the past, specifically when I needed to make some of my own gear.

DANG NABBIT, SKEPTIC AND 'SCHIFF, YOU NOW YOU GOT ME ADDICTED TO SOMETHING ELSE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though thanks for the info and link. Looks Like i got start searching Ebay for something else. "Scouting, my drug of choice!"

'819 Clarification, I have no problem with an 18-20yo ASM sitting on any BOR, UNLESS it is a BOR for his own unit. direct contact leaders, i.e. SMs and ASMs should not be on BORs in their own units. BUT if they are an 18-20yo from ANOTHER unit, I have no problem with it. I've actually sat on one unit's BOR with a 18-20yo from another unit. One of the cool things about being in the OA is knowing folks through out the entire district. EDITED: Forgot to add, I also was not registered with the unit. Only 1 person from the unit sat on the BOR,a MC. Both myself and the 18-20yo were on the distict committee, but he was also registered as an ASM with a different troop.(This message has been edited by Eagle92)

'Box, I saw one unit do a custom unit patch, similar to what ships do except without the size and shape restrictions. Patch had Crew Number and three activities that they have done: a kayaker, climber, and a camper. One NICE patch that I hope to wear in a few years. Anyway Sea Scouts are NOT suppose to wear unit numbers now, wearing Ship's patches instead. So maybe the rest of the Venturing division will go that way with custom crew patches instead of unit numbers.

'819, If memory serves, community leaders can sit on EBORs, and I would call any Eagle Scout who is still active a community leader. Just no sitting on his troop's EBORs as he is registered as an ASM.

Don't get me started on the FIASCO that was the numbers colors switch. Yes Cubs, Venturers, and their leaders still wear red numbers trained strips ( but as a cub leader I see a lot of CS leaders in "vintage 2008-09" centennial uniforms with green numbers and strips per the info at the time;) ) While I like the price of the new green jackets that will be replacing the red ones as they run out of inventory, yes I've been told that by a local distributor, I hate seeing traditions go away. Heck if BSA is going to replace something, at least make improvements to it like adding hand pockets that the Bemidji Woolen Mills did here: http://www.bemidjiwoolenmills.com/details.php?id=voyscout As for me and my red jacshirt, they can have my red jacshirt when they pry it off my cold dead body

THANKS EVERYONE and KEEP IT COMING!!!!!!!! I am collecting this info an will be passing it along. We are in the process of rebuilding our committee, we have been a 2 man show for so long(CM and ACM running everything) that we are just now organizing a real, honest to goodness committee, instead of one on paper only.

Well as I commented on previously, growing up in the mid-late 80s, PLC members PLC (for my troop that consisted of all the PLs, SPL, and the Leadership Corps members[roughly the Venture patrol of today and all troop level officers were on it) sat on T-2-1 BORs. Those consisted on 2 adults and 1 youth, with the youth being the chairman. You couldn't sit on a member of your patrol's BOR, nor a sibling's. I thought it was a great experience, allowed younger scouts to open up easier if needed, and gave some experience to the scout on how to conduct interviews later in life. I can tell you that what I learned formsitting on BORs has helped me interview folks for jobs.

Yes that blew my mind when I found out that making insurance part of registration varies from council to council. My original council did this, and I was shocked when I joined another council, and insurance was an option for units. But it's been an option for a very long time.

Cent, I hate to say it but the person your DE talked to about parade rifles is incorrect. The Insignia Guide specifically prohibits them. Drum and Bugle Corps Uniforms Boy Scouts or Venturers who are members of bands, drill teams, or drum and bugle corps affiliated with a unit or a local council must wear the official uniform for their registration status. The wearing of special helmets, scarves, gloves, unofficial leggings, and the carrying of ceremonial guns or swords by members of such organizations using the uniforms of the Boy Scouts of America is in violation of the Rules and Regulations of the Boy Scouts of America. (emphasis mine) here's the link http://www.bsajamboree.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide/03.aspx On a more positive note, GLAD YOU GOT A BUGLER! (and that is me shouting at ya )

Troop 153, Bailey NC, East Carolina Council

Ok folks, please do not take it as being nosy, but I need some budgeting help. I know every unit is different, but I just want ideas. If you prefer to PM me, that's fine I understand. Why is this topic coming up? Well you may have remembered my post about AOL plagues a few days back. The budget question strikes again b/c the pack at one time was financially secure, but is now having challenges. Besides Advancement and awards: i.e. ranks, arrowpoints, immediate recognition kits, the sports and academics program, what else do you pay for? Do you pay for patches for every single event, i.e you have a pack rocket derby, they get a patch? Or if they go to the PWD, do you get them a patch? Do you help subsidize campouts when the fee colelcted doesn't cover all expenses, i.e. you plan for 120 who said they will attend, but only get paid by the 80 who do show up, or when you plan for 90 and everyone does show up, but the fees do not cover all of the expenses? Do you cover the Blue and Gold Banquet costs, or charge a fee? Do you give promotion/ graduation gifts, i.e. new necker and slide when they move up to the next level, or a plaque when they move to Boy Scouts? Also a rough idea on how much you spend would be appreciated. Why do I ask all this? Because the powers that be in my pack have no idea what they spent in years past. No budget plans, no spreadsheets, nothing. Apparently all they have is a box of receipts and a receipt book, so going through that will be a very time consuming process. And we need a game plan NOW! Thanks in advance.

BSA, When my lodge announced the removal of different colored borders per national policy, most of the Arrowman wore their OA sashes inside out so that no Arrow was showing. When the LA got ticked off and gave folks an ultimatum of wearing their sash properly, or taking them off altogether, most took off their sash in protest of thsi national policy.

As most know once my father left my family, we were one of those families that were in need. Yes my mom tried to get food stamps, only to learn she made about $25/year than the limit at the time. It was suggested by the social worker that she amend the original forms she submitted so that she qualified, and mom refused. That was part of teaching me courage and honesty. She gave me the choice of switching to a public school, which would free up some money for other things like new clothes, AC, etc. Or I could apply for financial aid at the private school I went to, and try and get into their workstudy program in which I would pay back by working at the school. I made the decision to stay and do work study. That taught me the value of education and working for what you need (don't ask about New Orleans public schools at the time). In order to remain active in scouts, I did every fundraiser I could. That inlcuded troop dues, monthly campouts, summer camp, and the HA trip I took. I admit Mom did do some fundraising as well on my behalf for the HA trip, and I did get a campership as I wound up a little short, despite all the hardwork. that taught me the value of hard work for getting your wants and the importance of charity and the generousity of others. Part of why I have been active in scouting before my oldest became a Tiger was to help give back and provide opportunties for others. I say all this because you got to instill in folks the work ethic. I've seen some peers, but mostly the teenagers interact with at work, with the "gimmee" and entitlement attitude. From having their wants met by parents who buy them everything, to "I earned an A by just showing up to class," if folks don't leanr the value of work, the situation will get worse. Now I understand those who lose their jobs and need help. Heck a very good friend of mine lost his job. But he has worked part time while looking for a job and has gone back to school because, despite his experience in his field (over 20 years), a college degree is now required for even the most basic job in his field.

Ah yes the key to EVERY scout's heart: FOOD! I still think the 13th. point to the Scout Law should be A Scout is HUNGRY!

Wakib, What you said is an understatement! That troop more than any other in my district reminds me of my old troop. They are a hiking and camping troop. Their SM does promote the PM, esp since he is a new SM and between their old SM and finding a new one, they had a paper one for a while, the SPL/PL (they ranged between 1-2 patrols) was the one really in charge. The troop is still thriving despite having no feeder pack for at least 10 years, and adult leader "challenges" for the past 2-3 years. They were the only patrol that was able to start a wood fire, boil water, and tie a piece of spaghetti in a square knot.

Kudu and Miki, I always thought that it was GBB that pushed West into adopting the patrol method? Gotta get these books.

Sad but true story. I had a Hispanic Cub Scout drop from my den because "all they want to do is camping and not the meetings." I only found out after calling the dad several times and discussing this with the new pack chairman. Needless to say I hope that contact info is the same in a few years so I can get him back involved with a webelos den and/or into a troop.

Back in the day when youth sat of BORs for T-2-1 in my troop, the "chairman of the BOR," which was the youth sitting on the BOR, would come up and congratulate the scout that nite, if the BORs were not running late. Otherwise the next week they would be recognized. For S-L, the SM would announce. For Eagle, the SM announced an "Eagle Candidate" pending national approval. We too waited until the quarterly COH for the presentation of rank with pomp and circumstance, except Eagle COHs. For Eagle COH, the Eagle Scout set the date, anywhere from the nearest COH, to 4 years after earning Eagle being the longest wait I know of. (the Eagle enlisted in the USAF, and once he got out, he had his ECOH. His old uniform still fit). But What I've seen done recently is the SM handing out the badges at the meeting. Troop has a "war chest" of advancement, so that they can present immediately after the BOR.

1)Welcome to the forums. 2) I can't seem to find that find that in teh adancement policies book, so you may want to politely ask him if he can show that BSA polciy to ya? Growing up, the SMC was usually signed off minutes before the BOR. Except the Eagle SMC for those of us who waited to the last minute. I actually had my SMC for Eagle a day before I completed my last MB. Also had him sign off Scout Spirit too at that time.

Moose, this was a hit at camporee EV, Like I said firmly tongue in cheek. OGE, I don't think so. All, Like I said this came up from the most boy-led troop in the district. Kudu would love them b/c they are a "Hiking and Camping" troop to the point that I've only seen adults invovled with the scouts mre than PM 1 time: doing construction work on a shelter at a local nature preserve. I'ld love it fi they were 45 minutes closer to where I live.

With tongue firmly planted in cheek, probably the best, but smallest, troop in my district came up with this song for the district camporee. I thought I share, since one of their ASMs said sure. The 12 Pains of Scouting The 1st Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Finding a place to go pee. The 2nd Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 3rd Pain of Scouting that really get to me: starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 4th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 5th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Putting on bug spray Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 6th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: taking a shower Putting on bug spray Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 7th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Walking around camp taking a shower Putting on bug spray Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 8th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Staying out of Trouble Walking around camp taking a shower Putting on bug spray Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 9th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Not getting lost Staying out of Trouble Walking around camp taking a shower Putting on bug spray Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 10th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Swallowing burnt food Not getting lost Staying out of Trouble Walking around camp taking a shower Putting on bug spray Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 11th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Waking up so early Swallowing burnt food Not getting lost Staying out of Trouble Walking around camp taking a shower Putting on bug spray Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. The 12th Pain of Scouting that really get to me: Camping in the Rain Waking up so early Swallowing burnt food Not getting lost Staying out of Trouble Walking around camp taking a shower Putting on bug spray Listening to the staff starting a fire Putting up a tent and Finding a place to go pee. MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL!