Eagle92

I recommend www.seascout.org and their discussion board as there is a wealth of info on the site as well as with its members. Goodluck

'732, There are some agreements with ARC and others for the BSA to provide low cost options to those classes, basically covering the cost of supplies needed, if you can get the volunteers to teach it. The concern I have is getting folks to take the class. I'm an AHA certified CPR and FA instructor, and I had no one interested in taking the course when I offered. Cost would have been about $20 for to cover books, disposable ventilation tubes, and certification cards. I had no takers. What you may see is what some camps are doing: offering these classes during summer camp.

I NEED TO CORRECT MY LAST POST: OA IS NOW INCLUDED ON THE FORM All caps, bold and underlining is for emphasis on the fact that I mispelled NOW and could not edit when I noticed it. Not screaming at all folks (This message has been edited by eagle92)

I've noticed the OA is not included on this permit.

In reference to policies what do we follow, the new Tour Planning Sheet that appears to do away with patrol camping, or the G2SS which gets updated electronically every quarter, and hence more current, and allows it?

If my memory serves, my old camp's chaplain wore one on his uniform while serving on staff.

ScouterAdam does have a point in that all it takes is an accusation and the scouter is gone. The key is no one on one contact. Two deep leadership is to provide oversite, prevent abuse, and just in case of an emergency, one adult with multiple scouts can stay behind, and one adult, and I want another scout with him, could go to the emergency room. Unfortunately I have seen an accusation from a known liar, he lied about me and 2 other adults trying to get out of trouble, get a dedicated leader thrown out of scouting, b/c that leader caught him out after hours while the leader was coming back from the showers. Unfortunately the leader was alone coming back from the showers, and it was a "youth said/adult said" situation. Venturing is a little different in that it is co ed. So you really need both a female and a male leader present. In my friends' situation with the female leader having to go to the ER, taking the entire crew is the only option IMHO.

If you are goig the embroidered route, red on tan IMHO

The TAC one reminds me of the jacket that National put out in 98 or 99.

K, Sometimes you are in a situation where it is faster to drive yourself to the hospital than to wait for the ambulance. Also sometimes something doesn't initially appear serious, and then turns so. Which is why I want a 2nd person in the car.

Something similar happened to a friend of mine, except this was a Venturing crew, and it was the female assoc. adv. who got injured. Long story short, the entire crew went to emergency room as it was a coed crew with 2 leaders. When I worked summer camp back in the day, I had taken youth staffers to the hospital with the CD's permission (actually he told me to do it) with no other scout and no other adult. I had them in the backseat while I was in the front. NEVER AGAIN! (caps for emph.) for the following reasons. 1) YP does not want one on one contact. Yes YP was in effect back then, and if memory serves emergency situations did allow exceptions, i.e. rushing to the the hospital b/c your staffer was in danger of going into shock, did allow for exceptions. But in today's litigious society I would want at a minimum another scout with me. 2) The staffer went into shock in my car. Would have been nice to have another person to help treat him while I kept driving. While I could keep him warm with the car's heater going full blast, (sarcasm on) lots of fun in the summer with 100 degree heat and 90+% humidity (sarcasm off), it would have been a lot better if someone else could do first aid properly on him.

The fresh blood/ fresh ideas thinking is a very valid point. Sometimes folks do become so entrenched, that they do not accept new ideas. I'm seeing a little of that when I beg troops to send volunteers to help with CSDC, or to help put on a Webelos overniter after CSDC is over. I get some funny looks in refernce to Cubs camping. I know that when the council decided to change up the council camporee, to make it more of a jamboree style event that included Cub camping last year, some folks were not happy, b/c it was new and there were concerns that the Cubs would take over the BS events. If anything some of the Scouts were trying to do some of the CS events like bowling and swimming!

Tough one. Every pack does things differently, and there are probably hundreds of ways to deal with this. A few things I would do. 1) The $100 paid to the pack needs to cover recharter, AOL, any gifts/plaque given, and any awards given. So if belt loops, activity badges, etc were given out, then that should be taken out of the $100. 2) I would also pay the $1 tranfer fee to the council for the boys moving up. 3) I would talk to the Cubs to see if they want to give their DLs a thank you gift. 4) I would transfer any left over funds to the troop. As to the COR, I would come up with an itemized report on what is being spent with the $100. tell him that it is important that they recharter with the pack, otherwise they may not be eligible to move up if they earned the AOL after the recharter process. Tell him that the pack dues does cover advancement for everyone, and that every Cub needs to pay their own way, even those moving up. There use to be a big emphasis onthatint he BSHB when I was groing up. Then tell the COR that volunteers like himself are valuable, and that to show appreciation for their services, you would like to work with the Webelos on getting thank you gifts. Lots of DLs pay out of pocket for stuff, and do make an impact onthe Cubs' lives, and a token of thanks would be apprciated. Good Luck.

J', Just don't let the active duty folks, or the Reservists and Guardsman for that matter, who get TDY play with their HMMWV in the wilderness area of the camp, as the HMMWV may flip over and ruts are not LNT friendly. Seriously though having TDY folks is a blessing. They have huge amounts of experience, the kids listen to them better (some worship the ground they walk on in my expereince), and they cost the council only room and board.

This actually comes up a bit on these boards. Arrow of Light and Crossover are 2 separate ceremonies. 90% of the time, once a youth gets AOL, they want to be in a Troop ASAP, and they want both ceremonies done the same nite. But it is not necessary. Good luck.

The 3 year plan does a couple of things. 1) Limits burn out. Yes folks can burn out. 2) It can move folks into positions that better fit them. Greta example would be me. I did OA for 3 years, but as oldest became a CS I saw conflcts of events and activities happening, and I was getting frustrated. I found my replacement that was acceptable to all parties and stepped down. Now I'm working on the CS side of things,

"rat, It was in the 88-89 range. I remember it was time for my physical, the old part 1-2 good for 3 years if under 40y.o, and I remember that I was shocked to see our committee chair in the room with our physician ASM. I remember askign why, being told the new 2 deep thing, and commenting that yeah we had to reallly worry about Doc with his 10 kids and 1 on the way.

Thanks KUDU! Will download when I get home.

BP, Once again official national publications contradict each other. What else is new. Short, To answer your question, there is none. But I know of one SE that did just that: use his influence to to hand pick "yes men." And I have heard of it happening elsewhere.

NESA did a book last year or 2009 with all that info.

Short, I know BP can defend himself, but I can tell you, and others on this board too I bet, that an SE can heavily influence who is on the committee, and how they operate despite what is written. If an SE doen't inform those who are suppose to sit on the board, that can be seen as influenceing the board. If an SE has challenges with a board member, he can influence the nominating committee to not renominate them, not use them on committees, or just ignore them. Unfortunately I have seen it first hand. Another aspect, one I encountered personally, is that some adults do not view youth and young adults as capable of serving in a committee member capacity. I was a 21 y.o. Chapter Adviser serving on a district committee, and I had several folks who stated I didn't know what I was doing, I was too young to be on the committee, I was a puppet of the LA, etc. Favorite complaint was from a committee member who also was a SM who cursed me out and stated I don't know anything about the OA (As a yute I was on the lodge exec committee and recieved Vigil), because I followed procedure and would not remove the name of someone elected whom he signed off on before the election. After the election, he was ticked that the scout was elected, wanted me to remove him, and I said "No." Not a pretty sight.

For a participant, 2011 WSJ cost is $3525 Plus travle expense to 'gateway city', Staff over 26 is $1950 PLUS all travel expenses.

Is this the story you're talking about? http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1100029/what_went_wrong_the_scoutmasters_secret.html?cat=17

In ref to adults and service projects: it depends upon their role. If an adult is there to help do things, or offer his advice, stressing advice NOT telling them what to do, then yes. I saw one project where the Eagle, he passed and got it, used the advice of an engineer to do the blueprints of his project. Scout sketched the design, but the engineer took the sketch, and made the blue prints for it. It's called using your resources. Same Eagle also had everyone in the troop, about 8 scouts, a visiting scout, and 5 adults building the shelter, and it was done over 2 or 3 weekends.

Moose, While COs do have a major say in what can and cannot be done in their units, they do agree to follow BSA rules and regs, and that includes advancement regs. Trust me you do not want to buck the system on advancement. My district learned that the hard way.