Eagle92

As a former pro THE COUNCIL CANNOT REMOVE A PERSON FROM A POSITION UNLESS THERE IS A VIOLATION OF YOUTH PROTECTION. (caps and bold for emphasis) I can tell you this from first hand experience as the council I worked for DID want a CM removed, but couldn't do it. It was a hands off CO, and really had nothing to do with the pack. IH/COR, who was also an ASM with the affiliated troop (don't ask, I know , I know) did not want to get involved with the pack, despite the fact the pack would lose all recruited Cubs and leaders but the CM and family, the CM was pushing for the troop to accept 9 y.o. son with AOL (don't ask, this was pre SCOUTNET, and NO he did not get into any troop until a year later when he turned 10.5) etc etc. IH/COR didn't want to get involved in getting a new CM, but did want the council to do something about pack so that the troop would get new members from the Webelos. FD and I met with IH/COR and told him we could nto do anything, only he could. The only ways that I know of that a council can reject a leader is #1 fail the background check, #2 they don't do Youth Protection, and #3 they revoke the leader's membership in Scouting completely, usually for YP reasons, but there can be others. So IF the IH is happy with the COR, or any leader for that matter, the council can NOT remove the person, except as stated above.

John, In the past they have separated it by having the Wolves and Bears one half the week, and Webelos the other half. Low attendance on both events. This year they are combining everyone into one 1/2 week. The talk is dividing the dens by level, and having advancement specific activities at differnt stations. Possible splitting up sleeping areas too. The CS outdoor committee has been asked to come up with some ideas. I think the committee may have lost one of its best resources, as he got a new job. Worse part of the situation is we are finally going to implement some of the ideas he has pushed for. In refernce to supplies, our reservation director is handling that. SP, Supply has a very good sale on Estes products right now. My personal favorite are water bottle rockets using 2 plastic bottles, water, and a aircompressor. just need to use balsa wood for fins instead of cardstock.

Ok folks here's the deal. I want to know what type of programs you would want to see at a CS Resident Camp. Standard Boy Scout resident camp with the following: Waterfront is off limits for boating, fishing OK, due to it being a river. Has a pool. Has a climbing tower. BB and Archery ranges (With CS friendly folks as council has Shanghied my CSDC shooting sports folks from last year and the year before ) Will have a brand new nature center (in process of being built) Large field for activities ( like ROCKETRY sorry couldn't resist since Supply has a very good sale on all rocketry stuff at the moment) Trails galore tents. Is a Thursday Evening through Sunday Morning camp (2.5 days of program) Want to have an advancement oriented, but FUN event.

SSS gave some great advice. I am going to spin off on a tangent: What woudl you like to see done at a Resident Camp.

As others have mentioned 1) You do not have to earn Tiger and Wolf in order to start on Bear. Only Bobcat is required to be earned before RECEIVING, stressing not shouting, the Bear badge. 2) Cubs can work on anything in their HB, get it signed off, and recorded at any time since June 1. HOWEVER they cannot receive the rank badge unless they have Bobcat first (they do not need to reearn it each year), and cannot receive any electives until after they earn their current year's rank. Give ya an example. My son just completed Wolf. With all the stuff he has done at CSDC and other activities, he has earned 5 Electives since June 1. But he will get them next month b/c he just earned his Wolf. 3) You cannot start the next year's program until June 1. So my son cannot workont he Bear badge until After June. He's workign on electives, the Sports and Acadmics program, and most importantly HAVING FUN!!!!! (OK I am shouting about HAVING FUN!!!! I'm a CS leader and suppose to scream on occasion ) Hope it helps.

hate to say it, but I do not remember ever seeing those forms that Richard has linked to. I have used the first aid log, but never dealt with any other paperwork. Now I have seen some fo the forms that were listed at the second link.

FlyingFish is 100% correct in that it is sometimes easier to be accepted for a position on the district level without kids that with a unit. Sometimes parents look at ya funny Been there, done that, got the funny looks. Luckily the last time I was affiliated with a unit without kids, I was also wearing gold loops and working for supply, so folks knew I was addicted to Scouting. Several advantages to working onthe district level without kids. 1) You get to meet a large group of folks outside a specific unit. 2)You get to help in district level activities, i.e. OA, training, etc and if your district like mine, they can use all the help they can get. 3) you can look at all the units and see which one is the best for your son(s) when the time comes. Good luck.

Pack, As pointed out, the key words are daily life. While they may not be active with their troop, they may still be living up to the Oath and Law in their lives, hence the referencees.

Ok Leatherneck, here's the official answer: you cannnot duel register as both a DL and ACM. That's the official policy Now can a DL help out on the pack level, yes, but trust me it can be VERY difficult. I got a great ADL whom I'm grooming to take over in May 2012, and I am looking for a new Den Chief to help out (lost my last one to the Webelos who need help ASAP), and it can be very challenging.

Dad, Some councils do have a very good program. But it does cost money to get the folks and supplies. However the fee for the parent is usually much lower than for the cub, since the parent is there to help the cub. All As for the cost of programing, it can get expensive. I know I wanted to raise my day camp fee from $55 to $75 since we are all day long, unlike all but one in my council, and I wanted to get better quality supplies for our program. But it got nixed. good news is that I only went over budget $3.77, and we are nto doing the activity that was a large chunk of the expenses.

Depends on the program. If you got some awesome programs that requires certified folks, i.e. swimming requires a NCS certified Aquatics Director or CS Aquatics Supervisor, Shooting sports require certified folks running both archery and BBs, climbing wall requires NCS certified folks, ad nauseum, then it may be worth it. Agin program, program program.

My patrol had fun doing the shopping, but we were also looking at the girls too Sorry to hear about your removal, maybe a nearby unit is in need of an awesome leader?

saw our UC yesterday at Scouting for Food. Unfortunately for him, he can't get rid of us He's been trying to sell his house for over a year now and can not get any buyers. wants to move closer to his grandchildren and be involved in Scouting.

BOYS' LIFE did a bio article in the late 80s, early 90s on him. the speech on Serendipity jogged my memory b/c it was i the title of the article.

Ramblin, 1) WELCOME BACK TO SCOUTING AND TO THE FORUMS! 2) Silver loops for district folks, but are are you a RT Commissioner or going to be a Unit Commissioner, or are you on RT staff? Different pacthes are involved. 3)Your Training Award knot is still valid, but the 'trained" strip is only for the position you are currently in, so as a Commissioner, you need to go through that training. 4) WB necker, woggle, and beads never go out of style! Have fun.

Depends? traditionally my old troop wore "Class A's" i.e the field uniform to and from places and at dinner. Depending upon the activity, we may be in "Class B's" aka activity uniform, if around folks, and "mild work" to anything we wanted fi we were doign a lot of physical work away form folks, i.e. survival camping. And of course, cammies are de rigeur for nite tiem games like Civil War, Capture the Flag, et al.

I do not envy ya as I am in a similar role. I am trying to rebuild my day camp after having a CD who has IMHO burned out. She has too many irons in the fire. My suggestion is the following 1) get volunteers recruited and trained ASAP for the high demand areas: First aid, BB guns, and Archery. I personally would want 2 adults and 1 Program aid in BBs and Arhcery. had it last year and worked out great. 2)Get folks recruited for additional areas NOW. 3) If you can require x number of leaders to attend, do it. I would love to enforce that policty in my council, but it's already a challenge getting folks to RT to get them info. 4) Keep the energy HIGH!!!!!!! 5) Keep a notebook of mistakes you made as you don't want to repeat them 6) At the end of camp, have a survey of your campers to see what they like, dislike, and ant to see next year. yes you will get some crazy things, btu overall it has helped me to focus on what they want. 7) Ditto survey with parents. 80 RECRUIT 2012 STAFF AFTER 2011 CSDC PM me if you need idea. Misery loves company ya know

Patrol competition was serious business. We had a patrol of the year award, which did not have to be awarded. That competition was the following 1) Weekly uniform inspection 2) Weekly attendance 3) Monthly trip attendance 4) Summer camp/HA/Jambo attendance 5) performance as service and program patrol during the year In addition to the above, we also did 90% of the activities as patrols during troop activities: game time during the meetings and on trips, camping, etc. 10% of the time we might divide up to equal out the patrols, not really fair to have the older scouts in one patrol cream everyone else We would have chariot races, cook offs, survival shelter competitions, first aid competitons, etc. But the big one was Patrol of the Year.

Ditto what others have said, can't do both. But that doesn't stop you from being active when you can. I have seen IHs go camping with their units. Also as others have stated, it's best if the COR is a member of the CO as they are the direct representative of the CO. Some other responsibilities include sitting on the district committee and council executive board.

What does the PLC think? What does the Committee Chair and/or COR think? Personally I think your troop is on the right path as that was how my troop was run as a youth. Now to answer your question "when is too much leadership too much," I would say when the responsibility becomes all consuming and the scouts, and adults for that matter, start neglecting everything else: school, work, etc. My den chief is one of "super scouts" who is so involved, that scouting is his life. He's a PL in the troop, a DC in my pack, chapter officer, and on the lodge dance team. He's so involved, and on the fast track to Eagle (13 and Star only because swimming requirements slowed him down), that his mom asked me to talk to him about slowing down so that he can enjoy scouting. But that's another story His grades started to suffer b/c he didn't do some school work b/c of his involvement in Scouting. I had to have a discussion with him that grades are his #1 priority, and I didn't want him coming to den meetings until he pulled his grades up to passing. Had to tell him that the Cubs look up to him, and that if they see him doing poorly in school, they think they will be able to do poorly too. He busted butt and got his grades up. I do admit there is another motive too; don't want him in summer school as I need him as Day camp this summer But I have seen adults fall into the predicament. If it wasn't for my wife, I would easily fall into it. Had some good friends who got too involved, and had to drop Scouting completely. Luckily they are slowly getting back involved, and are not overcommitting. (This message has been edited by eagle92)

Back in the day, 10.5 y.o. was specifically mentioned in the joining requirements for Boy Scouts. I want to say that started in 1972 or therabouts. I think it ended in 1989, but not too sure. When I unbox my BSHBs that have been on loan for the past few months, I can give some updates.

Wingnut reminded me of a story. Back when I was 20 years old, I needed to have an old Class 3 physical done b/c I was going on some trip that required it, I think NOAC. Anyway I use that physical for summercamp and during check in and medical review, the young EMT, who was a female staffer, without looking at me reviewed my file, then started thumbing through the rest of the troop's medicals. When I asked her what was up, she said that since I was here she was going to ask me about my son. I then asked her, do I look old enough to haev a son in scouting, at which point she looks up and turns red. Well a few days later around supper, I decided to introduce her to my "son," who happened to be the tallest scout in the troop. Needless to say she was a little embarrassed. WELL since every "son" needs both a father, and a mother, after supper on Friday, when she is surrounded by the staff, I tell her that "my son has one word and only one word to say to you." Then turing to my "son" I say: "Ok son of my loins go ahead and tell her what you need to say." To which he grins, stretches out his arms and says, "MOMMY." To the laughter of the entire staff. Needless to say she learned that she must look at the Date of Birth on all medicical forms.

Problem with College Scouter Reserve is that it is considered a DISTRICT position if memory serves, so folks in that position would not be affiliated with a unit if memory serves.

One of the things my chapter does is have a "Candidate Orientation and Social" that informs everyone, candidate and parents, exactly what is involved. In fact mine is tonite, barring worsening snow conditions. It helps some. I know form expereince that there is a lot of garbage, to put it VERY mildly, ou tthere that is false on the OA on the internet. I had a 45-60 minute conversation, maybe longer, with one mother who 1) didn't know anything about the OA, 2) read a lot of the garbage on the OA off the internet, 3) didn't knwo that not only was her son's SM a Vigil Honor member of the OA, but was a past Lodge Chief and Section Chief. needless to say her son did not go through the Ordeal.

I admit I got mixed emotions on Ebay. On one side I have bought Scouting memorabilia off of ebay. A good bit of my collection was at my mom's house still and Katrina hit, losing everything. So I have bought things that I'm trying to replace. OA flaps from my youth are the #1 thing I have also bought things from events I've been too, but couldn't afford to get, or unable to get at the time. Some WSJ items come to mind. And I have bought some things to have an extra in my collection. And yes I am still waiting to buy a 1990 75th OA Anniversary dangle that I earned but never received b/c national was out of them by the time my lodge's order was placed. That's on hold as a the price always go over what I can afford. I know I've sold stuff, mostly flaps and CSPs, in order to raise funds to go back to school. So I can understand why people sell. But I do have a problem with those who sell restricted items on a regular basis purely for profit. I personally do not understand it.