Eagle92

'Box, Staffer no longer wear the simplified uniforms but instead wear the uniform that their registered position wears, i.e. a Cub leader on staff wear's the uniform for their position with the blue loops, CS POR patch etc. A Venturing leader would wear the green and gray uniform. If your google Wood Badge and staff guide, I bet you'll find a full pdf with everything in it.

Yep check with your local district and council folks. Be advised that BSA uses SCOUTNET to keep track of records, and it is only as good as the person who enters the information. The theory is that you can switch councils, and using your personal info, those records will move with you. Like I said that't the theory. In my expereince, moving to 5 councils in 7 years, not once did my records transfer with me. While some things have changed, a lot has remained the same. besides the online training, I'd talk and see if you can do any self study work, or even help with some courses that your older trainging may be helpful with, i.e. Basic Adult Leader Outdoor Orientation (BALOO) for Cub Scout leaders, and Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills (IOLS) for Scout.

Somehow I missed the N Tier reference. Yep BIG difference between doing a 50 miler afoot and afloat. I'm lazy, I love doing it afloat. When I did my expedition in Canada, the troop used ALICE packs, minus the frames. Some of us had "expereinced" ALICE's with the older straps than did not come with the "drop off buckles," the little device that allows the pack to come off by just pulling the tab, while those with the new ALICE packs did. What the shop did for us with the used packs was split a set of the drop off straps between 2 used ALICE packs, because those straps are a great way to secure the pack to the thwarts. I still have the pack, and have used it on every single float trip I have done save one, and that's b/c the company I worked for wanted me to use their gear (was not happy about that). I think ALICE packs are great for canoeing.

Well if you want rugged. US GI ALICE Pack, Large, Mine is 25+ years old and still going. US GI MOLLE Pack, USMC ILBE pack.

BOY TALKS ARE THE KEY TO RECRUITING! (camps for enphasis, not shouting) Also you need recruiting nites when nothing else is going on. Good luck.

Actually until the CUs came out in 2008, the ODL uniform had NOT changed much since it was created circa 1980, with the exception of the shorts and pants (first the shorts were very short and pants had cargo pockets on sides, then the removal of cargo pockets on pants and shorts lengthened about 1989, then small cargo pocket in front of short and pants about 1994). I personally think whoever designed the new uniforms didn't think it through properly hence the decision to redo them. Heck you can tell the entire CU roll out was FUBAR. Just look at info that came out when they were unveiled in refence to CS leaders and those Webelos deciding to wear the BS uniform. Less than a year after info on the new uniforms came out, and less than 9 months after they became available, people found out they bought the wrong color unit number insignia, and no red and tan trained strip was available for Cub leaders until March'09. Lots of ticked off parents and leaders in my neck of the woods.(This message has been edited by eagle92)

Well it depends. Seriously though I wouldn't look at specific models, but rather brands. I recommend going to some stores, bring your own weight, and try on packs. Comparison shop, and get the one that best suits you. As for the 85-90 pounds, isn't that a little too much? BUT if you do need that much, try a military MOLLE pack.

DWS, Well if the Uniform Police come after you for not having a necker 'cause you have used it, just tell them to see the Good Turn police since you helped out someone, or the Scoutcraft Police since you used those skills. Just a few weeks ago I tied my necker to my walking stave to use it as a makeshift flag for Map and Compass Belt Loop. No uniform police were around, except me (to bad myscouting.org got rid of the dissussion threads. I wrote a hillarious, and sadly true one, about me being in the UP Wish I would have saved it as a document. ) The ONLY TIME I would not use my neckerchief for something, is a GBB autographed necker. Learned the hard way that autographed neckers and washing machines do not mix

A true uniform would be where everybody wore the exact same thing, with the exception of unit, council , jambo or awards knots. Everybody would have the same boots/shoes, and everybody would have the same hat, necker, style of hat, shirts and pants/shorts. AH but the necker is one of the most versalite and useful items on the uniform with 100s of uses, especioally if the original size, and most esp. if they were square like back in the day. And one of the purposes of the necker originally was unit identity. Troops would make their own neckers and have their own color(s) and patterns incorporated into the necker. Look at the UK's Scout Association's website to see the different patterns. And at one time there were BSA uniform shoes.

WOW. I liked that my troop followed the K.I.S.S. approach. Class A's, aka Field Uniform, was any scout socks (knee or calf), scout shorts or pants (OK we did allow imitation or "fake" pants for those earning their uniforms and we didn't have their size in the closet but at some point in every scout's career, he did have a full uniform he), scout web belt (leather was reserved for adults as Skill Awards were worn at the time and were advancement. Once SAs went away, so did the restriction) official shirt, troop necker, woggle, and totem, and any scout hat. Worn to and from campouts year round, dinners year round, and COHs and other special events. Worn to meetings mid to late October to Mid to late April. Class B's, aka Activity Uniform, see above minus the uniform shirt. Any scout t-shirt, i.e. troop, camp, supply or activity t-shirt, was allowed and worn from mid to late April until mid to late October at meetings. Also worn camping and other field activities.

Ditto what other have said, and i'll quote some more. "Advancement is like a suntan - something you get naturally whilst having fun in the outdoors." - Lord Baden-Powell ... "Outing is three-fourths of Scouting" William "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt (the current BSHB has it MISQUOTED, or are they trying to lessen the outdoor importance in Scouting...hmmmm) "SCOUTING IS OUTING!" William "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt I know that sometimes I had to have boring, indoor meetings for several reasons weather and the lesson plans, and some scouts had complained to their parents (wish they would have talked to me). One of my scouts who hadn't been coming finally came back to turn in his paperwork for the last pack meeting and be part of the party we were having. It was outside,

Looking at the standards for Cub Scout resident camp, A Cub Scout or Webelos Scout resident camp is a council-organized overnight camp of at least two consecutive nights duration that operates under trained leadership for camp positions as defined in these standards. http://www.ncsbsa.org/resources/standards/2011%20National%20Standards%20Resident.pdf So a council that has a Friday-Sunday CS camp out that follows those standards IS a resident camp.

A few thoughts. 1) I've seen folks get 4-5 Arrow Points at one time from stuff they did at CSDC. Also remember that while they can work on the electives prior to getting their rank, they cannot get the arrowpoints until they complete their rank. I'll give you an example.Some things I am either uncomfortable talking about in a den setting, i.e. Wolf 11 Duty, or think a better format would be discussing things with parents, i.e. Wolf 12 Making Choices. So those were not done in den meetings and we worked on electives instead. So 4 of my guys are getting 3-9 arrow points form all the stuff they did this past year and from CSDC last summer, yet their parents just signed them off for Wolf this month. 2) The sports and academics program is not advancement, and doesn't really count. Yes I think it is important for them to earn what they get, and yes I don't think it's right as it hurts the scout in the long run. But forme it is not as big a deal as the arrowpoints, Webelos Activity Badges, and ranks. 3) While yes we must tale the parent's word for the Bo-T-W-Be ranks and electives, if memory serves only the WDL and those chosen by the WDl can sign off on Webelos advancement since we are preparing them fo Boy Scouts.

Acco, Actually they finish their badge over the summer, BUT if they do that, they cannot work on their next badge at the same time. that's aslo in the CS literatuyre somewhere.

I know when I went to jambo, I spent 2 years saving up the money for it.

Mom, I ditto what peridochas said, Bears cannot earn Webelos Activity badges. Now once June 1 hits, THEN they are webelos and can work on WABs.

Talk to your district and council folks as the level of training varies to the degree you do it. Running a BB gun or archery course for Cubs require one level, but running a rifle and shotgun range, or handgun range for Sea Scouts and Venturers, requires a differnt, more addvanced cert.

Eng, Must respectfully disagree with raiding the college fund, esp witht he price of colleges these days. I also disagree with letting real dad pay. I say let the scout earn his way. I know when I went to jambo and Canada, I did a good bit of fundraising, and my mom also helped out with fundraising. I also cut grass, and got a last minute campership to cover the last $75+ I owed. It was an expensive trip, but that I have memories of to this day, one that I would love to repeat with my sons someday.

OGE, Comic books. My boys picked up some free comics on Free Comic Book Day at the local store, and yes a few of the comics I wouldn't let them get b/c of content. Shoot one of the comics got by me, and it was after I started reading it did I realize it was not appropriate. Luckily the oldest didn't read it yet and he won't for some time.

BDPT, I must respectfully disagree. Yes by all means do the new training, it is needed to have the Scouts, and Venturers, go to NYLT and NAYLE. The new training is a priority. But some folks have commented that the new stuff doesn't cover the basics, which is what they need to get their unit operating. Hence the comment to look at older training courses to see what they have that does meet the needs.

Mom is right in that officially June 1 is when everyone moves up to the next level, irregardless of whether they are in school or not. And that is b/c of the variety of dates as to when schools shut down for summer. With the little expereince I've had with SCOUTNET back in the day, if advancement reports are turned in before the June 1 date, say a "Bear" earning some Webelos Activity Pins, SCOUTNET won't record it until June 1. But I know that some units and district to look the other way. Before the state changed the school year dates from before Memorial Day to the middle of June, our CSDC was the last week of May, and everyone was considered the next level. Even now the bulk of the packs in my area use the 3rd week in May as "Graduation Nights," and begin their summer programs, despite school being in session for 2 more weeks.

My understanding is that once uniform, always uniform. Also WB21C no longer demands the uniformity of the previous WB course. So if someone was to wear their old green 1950s scout jacket, they can do so. If someone was to wear their red jacket from the 1960s with all their patches on it (which patches all predate the patch policy on early to mid 1970s), they can do it. Do you have a copy of the WB21C staff guide to review?

Been a while since I've been to NARA, or used their online search databases extensively, but try www.nara.gov, and use their search engines. I know they have a lot of early photos, including Pres. Ford doing a flag ceremony, online. No films online, bu they may have them in storage. Also check out the Library of Congress, which in reality was the predecessor to the National Archives, as they also have an extensive collection of materials, and may have things. Also check out state archives/library, and, since you mention some companies may have been involved, the company archives. Last but not least, check out the new national BSA museum. In all cases, be expecting to pay for the research. if memory serves, NARA will get the materials for you, but you need to find them, and that may involve hiring a researcher to go there and pull the records. BSA national museum will do that, but there is a fee involved. As for converting VHS to DVD, if you want to do it on the cheap, you can buy a VHS-DVD recorder from any electronics shop and dub them yourself. Some VHS tapes do have protection coding on them, so you cannot dub them to DVD, the ORIGINAL Star Wars trilogy tapes are coded, so you would have to take it to a professional who has the equipment to decode it and record to DVD. Here's the catch though if memory serves, under the law you must keep the original vhs tape. A copyright lawyer can better state the law on that one, but I know some libraries keep the original cd or dvd in storage, and check out the copy.

Hopefully they do have folks who understand Cub Scout camping on the committee.

Yes the new stuff is out there, and should be used. But I would also look at what needs to be done with your scouts and look at older training courses to see if they may meet your needs if they are not met with the current course.