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This is directly connected to the letter I received earlier today in my email. " Scouting America and the Department of War Scouting Family, Today, Scouting America and the Department of War finalized a commitment to strengthen our longstanding partnership with the U.S. military. Over several months, we engaged in dialogue with Department leadership to align on how we could deepen our service to military families, while making programmatic updates to comply with Executive Order 14173. Throughout our discussions, we remained true to the core commitments that define our organization—our name, our mission, and our promise to serve all youth in our programs. Those commitments are unchanged. We will continue to deliver stability, mentorship, and opportunity to the children of those who serve our nation. What This Agreement Delivers Continued support for Scouting on military installations worldwide Ongoing Department support for National Jamborees and other events New benefits for military families, including waiving registration fees for children of active-duty, Guard, and Reserve families Launching a new Military Service merit badge, developed in cooperation with the Department Memorializing our existing practices for membership registration and safeguarding youth As part of Scouting America’s commitment to comply with Executive Order 14173, we will be discontinuing the Citizenship in Society merit badge. While this change complies with the Executive Order, the lessons found in this merit badge are found throughout the Scouting program. Scouting has always taught respect for others, leadership, and consideration of diverse perspectives through the ideals enshrined in the Scout Oath and Law. Scouting America’s mission remains unchanged and is reinforced across our advancement, leadership development, and outdoor experiences. Our emphasis on duty to God, duty to country, and service to others is strengthened by this partnership. Scouting’s values have not changed, and they will not change. Why This Partnership Matters Since 1910, Scouting America has played a strategic role in strengthening our nation’s military readiness. More than 130 million Americans have been Scouts. Millions have gone on to serve as military leaders, first responders, educators, and civic leaders. For military families navigating deployments and frequent moves, Scouting has long provided a steady anchor during times of uncertainty. Service to Military Families In our discussions, we affirmed Scouting’s deep commitment to military families. To that end, we will waive the national registration fees of all active duty, Reserve and Guard troops. Your support in this effort is critical – and we encourage you to make a donation to support Scouting families. Click here to give today. How to Communicate Locally When speaking with families and volunteers, lead with confidence and clarity: This agreement provides continuity for military families It supports Scouting on military bases and support for events such as National Jamborees Fee waivers will be available for active-duty, Guard, and Reserve families Program updates were made to comply with Executive Order 14173 Our mission, and commitment to serving all youth remains unchanged Membership registration and our practices to safeguard youth remain unchanged Scouting America works constructively with every administration—always focused on serving youth. Our Resolve For more than a century, Scouting America has endured because we are resilient, principled and unwavering in our mission. We remain committed to developing leaders of character. We remain committed to service and our nation. We remain committed to the principles enshrined in our Scout Oath and Scout Law. Thank you for your leadership and dedication to Scouting America. Respectfully, Roger A. Krone Chief Scout Executive President & CEO Scouting America Copyright © 2026 Boy Scouts of America. All rights reserved. Scouting America 1325 West Walnut Hill Lane Irving, TX 75038 I am pleased that those within our leadership in Washington have stepped up and worked out the wrinkles a little. For me, the MB was never needed, and it was always just, as some of my naysayers locally have noted, a woke response to things. The elements covered in the MB always were there if one paid attention to the concept of Scout Spirit, so we have untied one unneeded knot, or so I hope.

Citizenship in Society Merit Badge Discontinuance | Scouting America

Argh. This is where my judgement of BSA is harshest. Originally, my judgement was harsh on poor legal review. As times changed over the decades, better-than-average youth protection practices needed to be updated to protect both youth and BSA legally. So many things failed there. Now reading the last comment makes me question BSA respect for those donating money. If OA and NESA donations were solicited as endowments, BSA had a responsibility to the donor to respect the donation and handle the endowment properly. What I'm reading instead is that OA / NESA endowment donations were really just another way to solicit general fund revenue. It's either poor accounting, poor legal judgement or outright misrepresentation.

Your understanding is incorrect. They did not “vote to contribute”, the corporation told the court the OA and NESA endowments were protected. They they were not subject to the bankruptcy contributions to the trust. The other side said show us how you did proper record keeping for the funds inputs and outputs. They had no records and had just comingled the funds in the general funds. Thus, they were ordered to contribute the funds. Thus they need to “recapitalize”.

As I understand it, the National OA is a separate organization/company from the BSA/Scouting America. They voted to contribute funds after the lawsuit in the "Spirit of Scouting". And had they decided not to, there would have had to be legal action internally before the endowments could be touched. Technically. What the truth ended up being is probably only clear to the accountants and lawyers.

Yes, any thing with a counterweight is banned. Catapults are under heavy restrictions as it was classified as a shooting sport, and has to follow those regs. And those regs have become event tighter. Page 14 states it requires a NRA Range Safety Officer to e present Page 77 - 79 gives details.

That has been banded for years.

One of our most popular activities was the annual Pumpkin Chunkin with homemade trebuchets. Apparently hurling 10 pound orange projectiles 100 yards was too much for the lawyers.

At some point, the push to make Scouting safer becomes self-defeating. I've only been back in Scouting for 4 years now as a parent, but I've heard more experienced volunteers lament that updates to the Guide to Safe Scouting has led to the cancelation of events or the omission of popular activities. We showed up to one district event last year only to learn that the sling shot station has been replaced by a coloring station at the last minute.

I could write a whole lot on this from personal experience, but to keep it brief: as @InquisitiveScouter and I have exchanged posts on in the past, being an "OA member" is a one-time occurrence, of having completed the Ordeal and being sashed within the Ordeal ceremony. Similarly, sealing Brotherhood or sitting Vigil are also one-time occurrences. Both are intended to charge the Arrowmen to continue to serve the OA and Scouting in general, but you can't go back through the ceremonies again as "candidate". Where there is a difference in "being a member" versus "being an active member" exists with those who continually pay dues to the National OA- and the only mechanism for that is through Lodges. The casual member may not know all the ins-and-outs of the OA in current events, but the changes that have been expressed outwardly that all can see (regulating the Native American theme, stopping the giving of Vigil names in Lenape, dropping adult camping requirements, etc.) have had a number of changes behind the scenes as well. There used to be numbers of adults who would attend NOAC- and that filtered down to Section and Lodges too- years ago who were not active members of BSA. That had to change, and it ticked quite a few off, but at the end of the day the OA cannot function in todays youth protection safeguards climate in what had become to some as an alumni association. Closures of camps in the summer of 2020 had a very profound effect on youth participation for many Lodges, in same manner as it did units. Lodges also saw engagement from older youth drop, in the same way units did (both from COVID and non-COVID reasons). Ultimately, the OA today is just "Scouting's National Honor Society", and the "honor camper" part was dropped long ago as part of that tagline. While many of the few who post here regularly testify that their program is active and following (if not going above and beyond) the outdoor component of the program, sadly, Lodges become reflections of the units within their councils. If the other units in your city/town or the city/town next door are pencil-whipping rank requirements, viewing the various camping experiences of Camping MB as "suggestions", and seeing all of the Scouting program as "ticking a box" then that is going to reflect in the youth in the Lodge. If youth within units don't want to accept (or actually perform) POR, then that is going to show up in youth that are in the Lodge. The OA has gone through so many revisions of the "JTE", like units have endured, over the past 10-15 years that have been trying to "strengthen the OA", but the criteria are so heavily focused on activation (how many youth got elected that year versus how many was the Lodge successfully able to get through Ordeal) and how much $$$ the Lodge was able to pass off to their Council. Actual quality of the weekend program being delivered, how many youth attend multiple events in a year, etc. went out the window long ago. As I told the current National Chief and his brother several years ago now, the youth are not the voice running this at the top, it is the adults. I appreciate thoughts on how to revitalize the OA and keep it relevant, but ultimately the success of the OA is viewed through the same lens at the National level as Scouting America as a whole is- membership, revenue, etc. To improve the OA, you have to improve what SA is turning out within its' programs. My $.02.

This is basically an advertisement to not become a legacy fellow unless/until a person is in the OA.

For several years the OA has had official language to the degree that adult selection is based on what the adult can do for the OA. What that means in my council is that if you have something (meeting space, money, connections, etc ... ) the OA wants or needs you get offered membership. I would actually go in a slightly different direction and make OA simply about camping and supporting council camps. Instead of a rolling camping nights requirement I would set Ordeal, Brotherhood, and Vigil levels at numbers of nights camped and numbers of summer camps attended. Something like Ordeal (12 nights, at least 5 of which must be resident camping), Brotherhood (24 nights, 10 of which must be resident camping), Vigil (36 nights, 15 of which must be resident camping). I would also create some sort of maintenance requirement such as must camp so many nights a year in subsequent years to maintain Brotherhood and Vigil. I think we all need to just accept that when you set a higher level of membership, whether that be rank, honor, merit badges, etc ... it sets goals for people to achieve. When you tell people that they should just achieve Vigil or Eagle or Summit, etc... organically on the journey you are also telling them that once the experience has been had nothing else matters. Once someone has had the experience and they have no goal to achieve they move on. I think the overall membership numbers reflect that. How many car camping experiences can a person have before they decide that they can have a higher quality experience with fewer rules outside the program at a better price point?

This seems to me to reflect the misdirection of intent. IF the ORDER is an honor group dedicated to service, and once focused on enhancing the outdoor programs within the units and Councils, becoming Vigil or even Brotherhood should be secondary to simply following the spirit of the ORDER. Similar to putting becoming Eagle as the primary reason to be a Scout. Just the old curmudgeon's personal point of view.

On a secondary thought, if it is not lodged, try to make a vigil working only at the troop level. If a youth wants vigil 1. Be part ofthe ceremoniall team 2. Lodge officer 3. works at summer camp and has seen my advice work many times.

When it went to everyone, it's no longer an honor; it's just a checkbox on your way to Eagle. The point that no one is talking about is that the youth view it as a joke. Look at the youth membership that renews for a second year.

Well, you have to make larger donation, but yes, the OA does have knots too

Yeah, the lawsuit caused a lot of Scouting endowments to be raided.

But didn't the lawsuit raid the OA endowment? What is to stop that from happening still?

Per the OA website: Once contributed, the funds will stay in perpetuity within the OA Endowment, whose spending policy allows for the growth of the funds to provide support to key leadership development initiatives within the OA. 1915 Society | Order of the Arrow, Scouting America

I would be interested in where the funds go and for what purpose? How is this different from FOS or the James E. West fellowship? Do I get another square knot? Or knot?

Agree with that line of thinking... make it an honor to be earned & recognized for again, and make senior patrols of OA Scouts in units the centerpiece ... with emphasis on unit and community service. There is too much emphasis on serving the Lodge, rather than serving your unit or the community. So much so, that the Lodge and the OA have become a self-licking ice cream cone (yes, I've used that phrase before...) That is, for most of the Lodges I have seen since the early 2000's, the Lodge exists to serve itself. This is one avenue where the OA has gone wrong... Hopefully, some of you out there have vastly different experiences.

I like the OA. I've got lots of good memories from my youth and the admonition has stuck with me as an adult. That said, I wouldn't be upset if it folded. Lax membership standards and concerns over Native American cosplay have left the OA in rough shape. One underrated benefit of ending the OA program would be a boost in Venturing participation. Right now, they function as parallel senior scout programs, but a strong chapter could easily function as a Crew and continue providing service to its district and local camps. If the OA were to continue in present form, I'd consider eliminating elections in favor of a universal standard such as: 50 Nights of Camping 50 Hours of Community Service Star Rank Completion of Ordeal

More to participate in the endowment donation program.

Maybe the answer is to make it significant again and not just a notch on the belt for someone. When it was an Honor Camping Society that encouraged camping on the unit and council levels, and had real standards to be elected, including limits, and councils did not sell off camps to survive, it was viable. Now it is pretty much a memory for we old people and that notch I noted. No, that would make some people unhappy to have real entry standards. An Honor Scoity for Scouts and Scouters should actually present an aura of honor one might think. A few still do, but it is no longer a mystery or has it any real reason to exist. Just an observation.

Does anyone have the stats on OA membership over the past few years? The section below concerns me. Has the OA fallen so much, that temporary units can now have elections? depending upon when the election is held, folks may not know anyone to judge them worthy or not. EDITED. Found OA annual reports here https://oa-scouting.org/resources/publications/impact-report In the 2014 report, we had 171,211 Arrowmen registered. In the 2024 annual report, we had 98,473 registered Arrowmen. That is a 43% drop in 10 years!