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  3. First time posting about a specific trip we've taken, but this one is worth mentioning in case anyone in the area is looking for ideas. We're Central/North NJ, so it was a 6.5 hour drive for us (not including stopping for gas and food), but well worth it. We stayed at Mount Norris Scout Reservation in Eden, VT. The camp director, Eric Bouchard, was down sick, but still repaired a door in their trading post so we could change our reservation and add people to our trip. When we arrived late Friday night to 5 degrees F, he had the lights on and the heat up and the parking lot freshly plowed. The scouts spent quite a bit of time just playing in the snow in the field near the dining hall. https://www.scoutingvermont.org/mtnorris.html Saturday we drove to Catamount Outdoor Family Center, in Williston. It's about an hour from the camp, but again, worth it. They rent cross-country skis, snowshoes and a limited number of fat bikes, and have a sledding hill. Due to thawing and refreezing prior to our visit, the scouts weren't able to ski or sled, but we did bike and snowshoe. For biking, there are sections of trail that are manageable for anyone who is a decent biker, but there are also some very technical sections. The four of us who biked all have mountain biking experience, so we did hit some of the more difficult sections and it was a blast! Catamount offers group rates and day passes, along with seasonal. They had a nice fire going in the field outside the office and rental building. Our scouts on snowshoes took out the trail stoves and cooked at the 'Cliffs of Insanity'. https://catamountoutdoor.org/ Sunday, just a ten-minute drive from camp, we visited Eden Ethical Dogsledding. I can't even tell you how much fun this was. The kids enjoyed the sledding, but it was the time spent with the dogs that was the biggest hit. If you've never walked into a house and been surrounded by twenty dogs, you're missing out on a wonderful experience. The scouts just hung out with the dogs, eating popcorn and warm cookies, for about 40 minutes. They then helped put harnesses on the dogs, hook them to the traces on the sleds, and afterward un-harness and feed the dogs treats. Jim and his staff had hot chocolate waiting for us afterward, and in an unexpected twist, brought out the Arctic Cat to rescue one parent who got turned around (lost-ish) and ended up in a ditch. All around top-notch visit. https://www.edendogsledding.com/ All three (Camp, Catamount, Eden Ethical) are open year-round.
  4. I think you've accurately captured the theme of the thread. Sure, cost is a factor in most decisions, but it's secondary to the child's interest and the family's limited time. At a primal level, many fathers want to see their sons succeed at sports in hopes of propagating their genetic line. Even when the odds aren't great, they press on. I say this tongue in cheek, but you know there is some truth to it. Agreed. This a big factor. The youth sports industry is motivated by profit to have a good product. Our family has had positive experiences with most camps, clinics, leagues, tournaments, etc.
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  6. Yes To quote the grandfather in PRINCESS BRIDE, "Wait, just wait." The "official" December 2025 number will be out in a few weeks. Still we are down from last year
  7. Can we split this topic into the two things people are posting about? my friend sent me numbers for December. Total membership around 877k.
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  9. So I attended my first event today with the new troop. The SM is "trained," but admitted he doesn't consider himself "trained," and is glad I am joining the troop. We started talking, and from the discussion, I realized a lot of info was left out of the online training. We are trying to recruit new Scouters, and I have a feeling I will be doing some informal training with them on camp outs.
  10. Yeah yeah yeah; you found it right? You found one of the gray areas. You have to be careful, there is so much gray area; this stuff doesn't mix well with 22 year old professional scouters just trying to not get fired while they pay off their college loans.
  11. Based on what I am reading the general consensus seems to have shifted from the issue not being cost but the youth/families interest and a limitation on time. I want to point out that I and others have mentioned the limited space at the top of the sports (varsity). I really like the baseball analogy since there are so many large scale feeder systems throughout the whole country. Most towns have a little league/peewee baseball league that has hundreds of kids in it; and that feeds up to the local team which at most has 18 kids in most states. In my area juniors and seniors can get dumped down to JV or FROS/FROSH due to less roster restrictions. Normally being demoted down is a punishment for behavior or grades; once in a while I'll notice a kid dumped off of varsity and it's because they have an injury and they're basically practicing at a lower level to stay connected to the team in active recovery; kind of stupid in my opinion. What are these sports and clubs offering that scouting does not? If your kid is 1 in hundreds at the grade school level and their only shot is to make 1 of 18 spots at the varsity level; what's the connection? What's the draw? I think it's that the sports are basically saying "your kid will get X" and they deliver.
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  13. That appears to be subjective on the part of the Trustee. My hunch, and it's only that, that cases where there was ample notice (abuser was known to the BSA prior) and the covering insurance company has a lot of primary liability for coverage, would be ripe for release.
  14. Is there anyone other than the Trustee that would know how many of these cases meet the criteria to send to trial?
  15. No idea but it's the question I'd ask if there's another Town Hall. I hope others will as well.
  16. Do you have any guesses as to why she hasn't done this? Is there any benefit at all? It doesn't sound like there is, from what you've posted here, so I wonder what the reasoning is.
  17. The trust has issued a statement. Why the Trustee hasn't used all this time to determine the next payout percentage is a head-scratcher. Perhaps a "town hall" will be called soon. Statement here: Salesforce
  18. I'd like to agree but I think this is just standard briefing. The insurers will assert their rights and say that their policies allowed the investigation of every claim, something the Trust did instead, but doesn't bind an insurer. It would be a VERY bold step for a Judge to tell the insurers to pay up, and if they did it would be appealed in minutes. Again, the Trustee has 250 IRO claims she can send to trial and start to inflict pain on the insurers. Awards beyond the IRO amount then go to the "general fund" to serve all claimants. But, repeated losses (Juries tend to side with Survivors), would give the insurers real reason to cut deals.
  19. Newly Retired U.S. Judge Lynn Will Mediate Huge Boy Scouts Insurance Dispute - The Texas Lawbook it's going to take YEARS. This is a time value of money proposition for the insurers. Delay is in their interest because they make money on the assets they hold. Assigning a mediator sounds nice but they'll never mediate an agreement that would be painful for the insurers and good news for Survivors.
  20. This is the most recent order from the Texas judge. Combined with today's SCOTUS denial, I do believe the pressure is building on these insurance carriers.
  21. Yes, but the IRO option was designed to identify cases that would be "released" to trial and start applying pressure on the non-settling insurers. To date, none have moved forward and there's been no explanation why that is. That strategy is used in Catholic Diocese cases all the time and to great effect. It's a significant arrow in the Trustee's quiver that she refuses to shoot.
  22. The case has been filed in Texas Federal Court, Houser vs the Non-Settling Carriers. I believe there are 82 carriers involved.
  23. Is this the trust then suing each holdout insurance carrier?
  24. Today is truly a historical day in the BSA Bankruptcy. Almost 59,000 survivors will see a path forward without having a tiny majority being able to throw up roadblocks. The plan itself is not perfect and has many warts but now we can see the end. I still would not vote yes for it, and I believe many who did now have regrets however, many of my fellow survivors would recover nothing for their suffering if the Supreme Court had decided to uphold the Lujan writ. You will see many posts about how little you may ultimately receive (some say less than 10%) but remember they have no crystal ball or insider information. the ultimate percentage amount will depend on the outcome of Houser vs the non-settling carriers. Try hard to not let the Debbie Downers rain on today's good news.
  25. Writ has been denied by SCOTUS. Additional $1.65 billion sitting in escrow can now go to the Trust. Hopefully the Trustee will have a statement and perhaps Town Hall soon. The appeal by an attorney representing 72 claimants only took 3 1/2 years post confirmation. Enjoy some rare good news.
  26. These are all fair points, @yknot. I do think scarcity of time is still a factor in the scouts vs. sports debate, but I may be overestimating its impact for the reasons you mentioned. My son is pretty keen on basketball, but if he gets dropped from the top team, I think he'll pivot to football where he can at least be on the team and be "one of the guys." I do hope he sticks with Scouting, even if it always takes a backseat to sports, but it's up to him. He's already given it a good try. What would factor into his decision? I assume some combination of: Which carries greater prestige in the school / community? Probably Football. Which increases his chance of getting dates in high school? Probably Football Which looks better on a scholarship application? Probably Scouting (but it's closer than most will admit) Teenage Whims / Randomness
  27. My point in this Scouts vs. Sports thread is that most families/kids interested in youth sports type activities are not going to be interested in scouting no matter how many free nights they have available.* That's because the activity doesn't appeal much to a lot of them in the first place. A few hours of possible fun on a monthly camp out isn't what they are looking for. Another point is that sports exclusivity to the degree claimed by scouters is largely a myth. There are regional differences but opportunities for play at middle school and high school levels have only expanded, both in and out of school. Specialization, injury/rest protocols, tiered programs/leagues, freshman teams, and emerging sports have increased roster sizes and broadened options across the board. Ages also don't really align -- if you're talking about JV or Varsity play, a significant percentage of scouts have already moved on from scouting by then. Sports is not keeping them from scouting. If you are talking cub scout or cross over ages, take a look at the mandatory requirements for AOL. The most appealing active adventure, Outdoors, has practically no actual activity prescribed in it. There is not much there to appeal to an active 10 year old. That is why scout membership is declining, not because of youth sports. It is wasted energy for scouters to be distracted by sports instead of focusing on why scouting itself isn't more appealing to youth and families. Another observation as a parent volunteer in both youth sports and scouts is that too many adults in scouting want the program to be what they think "kids today" need vs. just serving youth. For a supposedly youth led organization, adults layer an awful lot onto the program and it has made it stultifying in some aspects. *Shorter statured basketball players, even gifted ones, start having free nights once the height equation kicks in. You don't see a huge wave of them showing up in scouts in middle school and early high school though. They generally transition to another sport just as you are looking at football. What would scouting have to do to make the activity more appealing to your basketball player than football?
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    • First time posting about a specific trip we've taken, but this one is worth mentioning in case anyone in the area is looking for ideas.  We're Central/North NJ, so it was a 6.5 hour drive for us (not including stopping for gas and food), but well worth it. We stayed at Mount Norris Scout Reservation in Eden, VT.  The camp director, Eric Bouchard, was down sick, but still repaired a door in their trading post so we could change our reservation and add people to our trip.  When we arrived late Friday night to 5 degrees F, he had the lights on and the heat up and the parking lot freshly plowed.  The scouts spent quite a bit of time just playing in the snow in the field near the dining hall.  https://www.scoutingvermont.org/mtnorris.html Saturday we drove to Catamount Outdoor Family Center, in Williston.  It's about an hour from the camp, but again, worth it.  They rent cross-country skis, snowshoes and a limited number of fat bikes, and have a sledding hill.  Due to thawing and refreezing prior to our visit, the scouts weren't able to ski or sled, but we did bike and snowshoe.  For biking, there are sections of trail that are manageable for anyone who is a decent biker, but there are also some very technical sections.  The four of us who biked all have mountain biking experience, so we did hit some of the more difficult sections and it was a blast!  Catamount offers group rates and day passes, along with seasonal.  They had a nice fire going in the field outside the office and rental building.  Our scouts on snowshoes took out the trail stoves and cooked at the 'Cliffs of Insanity'.  https://catamountoutdoor.org/ Sunday, just a ten-minute drive from camp, we visited Eden Ethical Dogsledding.  I can't even tell you how much fun this was.  The kids enjoyed the sledding, but it was the time spent with the dogs that was the biggest hit.  If you've never walked into a house and been surrounded by twenty dogs, you're missing out on a wonderful experience.  The scouts just hung out with the dogs, eating popcorn and warm cookies, for about 40 minutes.  They then helped put harnesses on the dogs, hook them to the traces on the sleds, and afterward un-harness and feed the dogs treats.  Jim and his staff had hot chocolate waiting for us afterward, and in an unexpected twist, brought out the Arctic Cat to rescue one parent who got turned around (lost-ish) and ended up in a ditch.  All around top-notch visit.  https://www.edendogsledding.com/ All three (Camp, Catamount, Eden Ethical) are open year-round.
    • I think you've accurately captured the theme of the thread. Sure, cost is a factor in most decisions, but it's secondary to the child's interest and the family's limited time.   At a primal level, many fathers want to see their sons succeed at sports in hopes of propagating their genetic line. Even when the odds aren't great, they press on. I say this tongue in cheek, but you know there is some truth to it.   Agreed. This a big factor. The youth sports industry is motivated by profit to have a good product. Our family has had positive experiences with most camps, clinics, leagues, tournaments, etc.
    • Yes   To quote the grandfather in  PRINCESS BRIDE, "Wait, just wait." The "official" December 2025 number will be out in a few weeks. Still we are down from last year 
    • Can we split this topic into the two things people are posting about?   my friend sent me numbers for December.  Total membership around 877k.
    • So I attended my first event today with the new troop. The SM is "trained," but admitted he doesn't consider himself "trained," and is glad I am joining the troop. We started talking, and from the discussion,  I realized a lot of info was left out of the online training.  We are trying to recruit new Scouters, and I have a feeling I will be doing some informal training with them on camp outs.
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