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Opening a bank account for cub scouts
InquisitiveScouter replied to ColoradoScout's topic in Unit Fundraising
Keyboard Advisor here, lol... @jcousino is right. You are "owned" by your CO. If your CO does not want you to open a bank account, then you have three choices: 1) Don't open a bank account, 2) as @ShootingSports says, find out why your CO "doesn't want the responsibility", and find a way to alleviate their misgivings or 3) Find a new CO. Before you pursue any of those, you need to answer a few questions: A) How is it that you have a bank account (used for years) when your CO says they don't "want the responsibility"?? Did you inform the CO that you already have a bank account using their EIN? Which begs the next question... B) Whose EIN are you actually using for the current account? Which begs the next question... C) Do you have a current signed Annual Unit Charter Agreement?? Your DE is supposed to secure one for you each year, so, as @ShootingSports has said, call your DE to see if they have one. If the answer is "No", then your DE is not doing his job. https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/524-95625-Annual-Charter-Agreement.pdf Get your Chartered Organization Rep on the horn and ask them to get this all important document coordinated and signed post haste. D) If you do have a signed Annual Charter Agreement, read para II B.4. "Authorize the unit to open a separate bank account for the Unit using the Charter Organization EIN and provide the Unit with policies and procedures for financial reporting and asset management." Again, get your COR and DE on the horn, because the CO not allowing you a bank account is a violation of the Agreement. Recommend you read the whole document for other pertinent responsibilities and understanding of who owns what... Also, for the Moderators... the OP never showed up on my Unread Content. Any idea why?? -
You are not a free unit you are totally owned by your CO.
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Opening a bank account for cub scouts
ShootingSports replied to ColoradoScout's topic in Unit Fundraising
You should have another discussion with your CO rep and include your DE. Otherwise, contact an attorney/cpa to get the correct answer - Not here with a keyboard advisor -
You'd almost think that old English dude was on to something when he said, "The one part which I can claim as mine towards promoting the movement is that I have been lucky enough to find you men and women to form a group of the right stamp who can be relied upon to carry it on to its goal. You will do well to keep yours eyes open, in your turn, for worthy successors to whom you can, with confidence, hand the torch. Don’t let it became a salaried organization: keep it a voluntary movement of patriotic service." (emphasis added) https://thescoutingpages.org.uk/bps-last-message/
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Funny thing is this: if you scream and curse out that top level volunteer, he may stop donating. And he may tell his buddies what happened, and they stop giving too. That happened. District had to drop their FOS goal severely since they did this. The current goal is 10% of what is was when I first got here, and that is not adjusting for inflation. Worse part is the DC was actually doing something. -
The bitter truth was that the Cold War wasn’t being won by flexes in space. Technical superiority was not gaining the upper hand over Vietnamese tactics. The West’s only hope was to “out-economic” the Soviets and the Maoists. A moon base was too expensive with no immediate gains, plus deep space was utterly terrifying, and too few US states had an economic benefit that contributed to Saturn V rockets. The shuttle program seemed promising with the thought that one might touch down at an airport near you, and the International Space Station, the massive Galileo Probe and the serviceable Hubble Telescope drew international engagement (i.e., spent other countries’ budgets). Closer to Earth seemed safer, although we would soon learn the folly of that presumption. The Soyuz weren’t glamorous, but even when one didn’t work, our astronauts’ odds of living to complain about it were higher. Plus Kazakhstan turned out to be a pretty cool destination after the Iron Curtain fell. We needed all that time to build up robotics, autonomous vehicles, electricity generation, and additive manufacturing … and Kevlar! But, we also needed more open risk assessment — a skill that some Japanese auto manufacturers had, but NASA had to develop (wrecking a few probes along the way even after that). And orbital mechanics had to be mastered. Although we’ve gone back to roughly the same aerodynamic profile, the scale of Orion, how it’s assembled, how it flies, and how go/no-go decisions are made eclipses anything any nation has done. It’s a testament to those decades in near earth orbit that the thing even has a toilet (although the plumbing needs more engineering). There’s a lot the space program can teach our scouts about science, but there are lessons in integrity, dedication, and fellowship that should not be ignored.
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Not sure I follow you. If scouting had the same drive to meet the goal the early space program had, it would be successful in its mission. It was not until the space shuttle missions when cost out weighed safety.
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Cash is king is absolutely true. My district has one of the most useless human beings in existance as one lf the vice chairs but he's always going to be a vice chair because of his matching cash donation. -
For me it been failing to follow thier own rules. Plus the price to pay to play was very high. Cash was king in kind donations where of little value. -
I find it interesting that we are seeing basically an updated version of the first moon program. And the same lines of interest amazingly reappear with the youth. HMMM. Could we, as a society, maybe keep the strongest building blocks and share their evolutionary options as bait for the youth? While I have concerns about the worst of the video game intrusions on some, I also see what appears to be serious parallels to the huge science charge the first decade of the space race. No good science is wasted, and often reintroductions of some concepts may lead to unique new concepts and developments. That after all is what comes from the challenges, some of which may stem from the scary video game concerns. How many of the current day "normal" things were seen in fiction and earlier science probes? When was the last time someone made a list of how many now basic tools and concepts came from the Race to the Moon? Not only Tang. Think about how much easier outdoor activities are with the developments that reach back to the prep for the moon. How many new materials are mainstream in tents, packs, navigation, and so on? Young people are often ignored with their idea, yet once in a while those same youth make amazing things, on their own, like the young woman that developed the way to separate micro plastic from the water.
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You cannot take Scouting out of the larger community or its issues. You can fliter that community through the tenets of Scouting to make the community hopefully better. YP or whatever the current name is, represents a positive feedback into those larger communities, and the concepts continue to evolve and get stronger, which in turn helps both the program, and those it serves. -
Or professionals ignoring, shouting at, or cursing out volunteers
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Some vacancies are purely the result of professionals not building out the team.
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Even before Trails Life, pros were trying to do away with long term volunteers. I cannot tell you how many good, extremely dedicated Scouters left because of treatment by pros. Some left district and council roles to focus ont heir units. Others just quit. And they left vacancies that to this day are still not filled.
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I also took time last night to stream NASA TV on a hand-held while the boys were wrapping up the meeting. About a half dozen boys were captivated as the signal came back with video from inside the capsule. There was something for everyone. Some of the boys were space-dorks like myself, others were mechanically inclined, and others were into software (how could they not be, with their advancement being checked electronically?). More importantly, all of the scouts understood when I described the capsule as something like a six-man tent. I’m starting to think about a mock-up for our next campout. (Or maybe summer camp?)
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It’s nice when some writes your SM minute for you: “From the cabin of Integrity here, as we surpass the furthest distance humans have ever traveled from planet Earth, we do so in honoring the extraordinary efforts and feats of our predecessors in human space exploration. We will continue our journey even further into space before Mother Earth succeeds in pulling us back to everything that we hold dear. But we most importantly choose this moment to challenge this generation and the next to make sure this record is not long-lived.” https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasas-artemis-ii-crew-eclipses-record-for-farthest-human-spaceflight/
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Too bad the Scout leadership dismissed concerns of what abandoning its membership requirements would do to those who cared. In related news, Trail Life added six more troops this week. PA-8142 Coudersport AZ-3756 Prescott Valley NC-2316 Hendersonville OH-7777 Pleasantville MN-0317 Avon VT-1513 Irasburg -
I wonder how loss of skilled scouter during the break off of losses to trail life effects this. I know a lost of a lot of good baptist scouter
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In my area that old guard is still staunchly in place. More to your point I see many units with new parents willing to step up but they then recede when the old guard wants to use them as worker bees in a dictatorship instead of a collaborative environment.
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How many recall the feedback a few years back from many of the council leadership and national that what was needed was to edge out the old guard of the BSA and make room for the new leaders, that is what was holding the scouting movement in America back. What the brain trust did not fully take into account was that many of the "old guard" did not really see Scouts as just an activity, but more as a calling and a mission. They were in it for the long haul. Those leaders have in fact moved on and nobody is stepping into the gap. Especially at district and council levels, and obviously the unit level. Getting new leaders is really tough, many families (parents) view Scouting as purely transactional, they pay and the "Unit" provides the program. Not realizing (I feel) that they are in fact the unit. They look around and wonder if they are really getting the bang for their buck. It does not take a detailed accounting to realize if you want to go camping, hiking, build a birdhouse, all of that can be done waay faster and cheaper on your own. Invite kids friends and go to out and do. Scouts needs to fully figure out what value they actually bring -
Our Organizational is Not Agile
Eagle94-A1 replied to InquisitiveScouter's topic in Council Relations
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Or: "We are men of action. Lies do not become us."
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Our Organizational is Not Agile
Eagle94-A1 replied to InquisitiveScouter's topic in Council Relations
When I met the then National Chief Information Officer in 1998, he made a lot of promises about SCOUTNET 2000 that was coming our in November 1998. Vezinni said it best. -
One could declare victory as that exists in the Scouting blue app. Is it accurate? Well, the app exists and can show that. But is it accurate? It should be.... but often is not.
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This is good on you, but really bad on the organization. I do know that national is aware of this/these problems; last year Glen Pounder made mention of digital ID that would be the landing point for all leaders to prove who they are, current registration, position, units, and training. I wonder how long it will take the organization to get there though.
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By InquisitiveScouter · Posted
Keyboard Advisor here, lol... @jcousino is right. You are "owned" by your CO. If your CO does not want you to open a bank account, then you have three choices: 1) Don't open a bank account, 2) as @ShootingSports says, find out why your CO "doesn't want the responsibility", and find a way to alleviate their misgivings or 3) Find a new CO. Before you pursue any of those, you need to answer a few questions: A) How is it that you have a bank account (used for years) when your CO says they don't "want the responsibility"?? Did you inform the CO that you already have a bank account using their EIN? Which begs the next question... B) Whose EIN are you actually using for the current account? Which begs the next question... C) Do you have a current signed Annual Unit Charter Agreement?? Your DE is supposed to secure one for you each year, so, as @ShootingSports has said, call your DE to see if they have one. If the answer is "No", then your DE is not doing his job. https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/524-95625-Annual-Charter-Agreement.pdf Get your Chartered Organization Rep on the horn and ask them to get this all important document coordinated and signed post haste. D) If you do have a signed Annual Charter Agreement, read para II B.4. "Authorize the unit to open a separate bank account for the Unit using the Charter Organization EIN and provide the Unit with policies and procedures for financial reporting and asset management." Again, get your COR and DE on the horn, because the CO not allowing you a bank account is a violation of the Agreement. Recommend you read the whole document for other pertinent responsibilities and understanding of who owns what... Also, for the Moderators... the OP never showed up on my Unread Content. Any idea why?? -
You are not a free unit you are totally owned by your CO.
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By ShootingSports · Posted
You should have another discussion with your CO rep and include your DE. Otherwise, contact an attorney/cpa to get the correct answer - Not here with a keyboard advisor -
By InquisitiveScouter · Posted
You'd almost think that old English dude was on to something when he said, "The one part which I can claim as mine towards promoting the movement is that I have been lucky enough to find you men and women to form a group of the right stamp who can be relied upon to carry it on to its goal. You will do well to keep yours eyes open, in your turn, for worthy successors to whom you can, with confidence, hand the torch. Don’t let it became a salaried organization: keep it a voluntary movement of patriotic service." (emphasis added) https://thescoutingpages.org.uk/bps-last-message/ -
By Eagle94-A1 · Posted
Funny thing is this: if you scream and curse out that top level volunteer, he may stop donating. And he may tell his buddies what happened, and they stop giving too. That happened. District had to drop their FOS goal severely since they did this. The current goal is 10% of what is was when I first got here, and that is not adjusting for inflation. Worse part is the DC was actually doing something.
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