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Brad Tilden made several speeches last year about this. National knows this. I remember Brad saying basically "No airline flies a plane with 1 or 2 passengers and only once in a while."  A lot of camps sit empty 40 weeks out the year without program, nay, it might be MOST camps sit empty 40 weeks out of the year without program. Additionally, every council I am aware of does a horrible job of getting units to camp the 40 or so unused weekends year. As a business the camp is a sunk cost that councils have to pay to maintain and monitor 365. 

While the expense issue may have feet, it is not totally accurate.  The facility has proven useful and viable over more recent times.  Will it recoup its cost; that is up to those who can think outside the boxes.  Most camps, once outfitted with basic needs, can be used for many things besides camping or special programs.  And there seems no reason, other than attitude or bias to somehow not offer the space and facilities to outside groups, both as ways to offset expenses, but also as effective utilization of facilities and structures.  It might take a while, but it can and should reach a balance.  The same thing seems common to many council camps that have fallen or barely hanging on.  The local council has upkeep issues, especially as the facility gets older.  But, while the have, for example, say a high level climbing wall, it is standing unused more often than used.  Iff a program of cooperative use with local climbing groups and maybe even schools were to be developed, it could becaome a viable resource and improve all parties programs.  A camp has kitchen and dining hall that is used during Council activities, but often sits unused.  Could a local area cooking school perhaps use it for training in the off-season?  Could that same school fill a summer need as well that is often a real struggle?  The camp is located relatively near seasonal outdoor opportunities; could it be rented out when not used by the council, allowing more people to experience the winter sports and so on? We come back to the missed opportunity position far too often.  Would the ideas work; probably with proper planning and follow.  But someone says "can't", or we do not have the sources, or other excuses, so the facility ages and disappears.  Not only is this ignorance, but it is lost opportunity.  Some camps also could be used by the FS for training locations, though currently our misguided (my opinion) leadership is doing all it can to decimate the FS and Parks.  Our now lost camp a decade or two back became a six week + basecamp for a major wildfire fight.  They took over the whole facility and it proved viable and also put our camp and council in a good light.  FS for a long time came as part of the Fire Safety skills program in the summer, bringing trucks and tools to share and demonstrate.  But could the site have also been an option regularly for training how to fight the fires, even for non Scouting people?   So many times "Can't" is the answer, and nobody challenges that.  Our lost camp was built by local groups who felt the Scouting program needed the

Can you tell he is an outside hire? And in his first year?

Not sure, I am curious to see how the NAM washes things out. 

I can confirm those are numbers in the system for end of March 2025 and 2026.  Those are the total unit based, and do not include LFL.