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#41 skeptic

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 01:32 PM

One less meal out or a half dozen fewer coffees at the fancy houses.  Or, for some, one less pack of cigarettes or one less bottle of booze or six-pack of beer or case of soda.  Let us get this in perspective.  Yes, it may be a bit of a sticking point, but IF the program is worthwhile, we will work around it.


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#42 walk in the woods

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:15 PM

I hugely agree with this.  when the fee went from $15 to $24, our pack revisited our budget.  To make the numbers work, our pack changed adult rechartering practices because the pack pays the cost and the adults mostly didn't care.  Specifically, the pack only rechartered the bare minimum committee members (committee chair plus 1 ??).  Direct contact adult leaders were reduced to CM, ACM and DL.  No more rechartering assistant den leaders.  So while the cost went up to $24, our pack cost was about the same or even lessened a few dollars.  

 

We did the same at the troop level.  Best thing we ever did.

 

The sad part is we have fewer adult leaders getting BSA info and chasing BSA training.  

The email I received about the YPT changes and Fee Increase also included this:

 

 

Effective for the 2018 BSA summer camp season, any adult accompanying a Boy Scout troop to a residence camp or other Scouting activity lasting 72 hours or more must be registered as a leader, including completion of a CBC and YPT, even if they are the parent of a youth on the trip.

So I wonder how effective the "minimal leadership" strategy will be going forward.


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#43 ItsBrian

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 02:33 PM

The email I received about the YPT changes and Fee Increase also included this:

So I wonder how effective the "minimal leadership" strategy will be going forward.


That is not going to be effective at all. I bet some troops won’t be able to attend summer camp, some adult leaders may not be able to get off for a week.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:16 PM

My District already charges $144/annual per scout. 


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#45 Col. Flagg

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:22 PM

My District already charges $144/annual per scout.


District? $144!!!! How are THOSE costs justified? Curious as to what they are offering.
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#46 Fehler

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 03:32 PM

It is a pilot project.  Covers the annual registration, Boys Life, new handbook each year (or $12 credit for Boy Scouts), and awards at Scout Shop.  This is the start of the second year.  http://metrolakes.nsbsa.org/


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#47 RememberSchiff

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 04:37 PM

It is a pilot project.  Covers the annual registration, Boys Life, new handbook each year (or $12 credit for Boy Scouts), and awards at Scout Shop.  This is the start of the second year.  http://metrolakes.nsbsa.org/

 

I like the idea of one upfront payment but this does not appear to be it.  Are units suppose to be bill collectors for those who chose quarterly payments?


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#48 ItsBrian

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 04:49 PM

I like the idea of one upfront payment but this does not appear to be it. Are units suppose to be bill collectors for those who chose quarterly payments?


I guess units are suppose to be bill collectors, but they don’t need to if it’s one payment.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 04:52 PM

Does Dunkin Donuts coffee count as "fancy?" I like that a lot better than what I get in a Starbucks, and it's probably about a dollar less and I get it a lot quicker.
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#50 ItsBrian

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 05:22 PM

Does Dunkin Donuts coffee count as "fancy?" I like that a lot better than what I get in a Starbucks, and it's probably about a dollar less and I get it a lot quicker.

 

It's still expensive no matter what, to be honest. If you make it at home, probably can make three+ cups for how much you pay for one. 


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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:35 PM

It's still expensive no matter what, to be honest. If you make it at home, probably can make three+ cups for how much you pay for one.


Well, I get free coffee at work (keeping in mind that there's no such thing as a free cup of coffee), so you can't beat that.
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Posted 05 September 2017 - 10:43 PM

The email I received about the YPT changes and Fee Increase also included this: ... "Effective for the 2018 BSA summer camp season, any adult accompanying a Boy Scout troop to a residence camp or other Scouting activity lasting 72 hours or more must be registered as a leader, including completion of a CBC and YPT, even if they are the parent of a youth on the trip."


Is that a "national" change or a local change?

I actually think it's a good idea. Summer camps are always filled with way too many adults. I think it damages the experience for the youth. But it will still get circumvented. I can't see a scout camp saying a dad or mom can't camp overnight with the troop for a few nights. OR the night before a kid leaves camp.

If that is a BSA new rule, it's worth it's own thread.

Edited by fred johnson, 05 September 2017 - 10:44 PM.

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#53 Col. Flagg

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:31 AM

Is that a "national" change or a local change?I actually think it's a good idea. Summer camps are always filled with way too many adults. I think it damages the experience for the youth. But it will still get circumvented. I can't see a scout camp saying a dad or mom can't camp overnight with the troop for a few nights. OR the night before a kid leaves camp.If that is a BSA new rule, it's worth it's own thread.


As a unit we've limited camp to registered, trained leaders and only enough to cover the required ratio.
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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:42 AM

Our council implemented a $22 per registration (youth and adult) "activity"  fee instead of collecting for FOS.  $33.00 national + $12 boys life + $22 activity fee = $67 per scout just to register :-(


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 07:42 AM

Our council implemented a $22 per registration (youth and adult) "activity"  fee instead of collecting for FOS.  $33.00 national + $12 boys life + $22 activity fee = $67 per scout just to register :-(


Sorry. I wouldn't pay. We've told our district loud and clear if they charge a fee we will relocate two blocks away to the other district that will never charge a fee
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Posted 06 September 2017 - 09:22 AM

Sorry. I wouldn't pay. We've told our district loud and clear if they charge a fee we will relocate two blocks away to the other district that will never charge a fee

 

Not a district thing, its a council thing.


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#57 oldisnewagain1

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 09:46 AM

So with dwindling membership, the thought is to make Scouting more expensive? 

 

Seems legit


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 09:57 AM

Sorry. I wouldn't pay. We've told our district loud and clear if they charge a fee we will relocate two blocks away to the other district that will never charge a fee

 

Andysmom is right.  Districts can't hold money.  All money is council money.  Popcorn.  FOS.  Rechartering.  Districts can charge for specific events and activities, but profit or loss hits the council bank account.  Even event budgeting and approvals is a council thing.


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#59 Col. Flagg

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:05 AM

So with dwindling membership, the thought is to make Scouting more expensive? 
 
Seems legit


Right. And then national sends out (today) a plea to donate money. So...increase fees AND more direct solicitations to members (bypassing councils) for even MORE money???

I think it's clear BSA has no concept of money. You don't raise fees AND solicit for more donations from the SAME group in the SAME week. That's either stupidity or gross incompetence...or both.
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#60 walk in the woods

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 12:11 PM

Is that a "national" change or a local change?

I actually think it's a good idea. Summer camps are always filled with way too many adults. I think it damages the experience for the youth. But it will still get circumvented. I can't see a scout camp saying a dad or mom can't camp overnight with the troop for a few nights. OR the night before a kid leaves camp.

If that is a BSA new rule, it's worth it's own thread.

The email that was forwarded to me had communications@scouting.org as the From address and the header top of the message said "This message is being sent to all Scout executives, area directors, regional directors, commissioners and managers at the National Service Center."  So I took it as a change from National.  


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