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#1 NealOnWheels

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:30 AM

Have not found an official statement from the national office but several councils have posted this...

 

http://www.cornhuske...p-fees-increase

 

Like last time I don't like the timing.


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#2 ItsBrian

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:31 PM

I’ve read this from other places, but maybe is a possibly that National has let councils decide on fees? Or that councils are just releasing it early.
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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:43 PM

Clarification on membership fees:

 

The National Council sets the annual Registration Fee for youth/adult members in the BSA. As of December 1st, this will increase from $24 to $33. It is worth noting that it is not prohibited for councils to set their own "program fees", "council surcharge", or other charges above the national Annual Fee to cover local operating costs. Individual units occasionally may also charge their own "dues" to help cover their expenses. The latter two are not required or universal practices, and they are usually collected at recharter/joining time.

 

Just some background information before this post blows up...  :)


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#4 Snow Owl

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:54 PM

Can someone explain to me why we run bsa registration on the calendar year when all of the units and activities operate on the academic year?  Most units have already collected dues for the Scout year so this $9 per scout/Scouter increase is going to be an unexpected expense that has not been collected.


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#5 skeptic

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:00 PM

If only because most units have already done budgeting for next year, this is poor timing, as noted already.  But, unless we see concrete value back to the unit levels, this is truly poor judgment.  And, if we soon read about more increases for National staff member pay, it could push many to serious revolt.  If anything, the top 2 or 3 tiers of National staff could take a cut in pay to offset this, and they still would easily be more than sufficiently compensated.  Of course, just my opinion, and I am at the level that actually delivers the program, so probably am not well informed or have an opinion that is valued very much.


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#6 qwazse

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:05 PM

It is technically possible to change your rechartering month.
But, I agree that three months is an aweful short time to determine which campout scouts should cut short to meet expenses.
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#7 ItsBrian

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 02:30 PM

@Snow Owl  My troop has always collected dues the calendar year. I haven't heard of many troops around me that follow the academic year.


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:50 PM

It could be worse timing. And $33 is not bad considering everything. I'm good with it. I think this isn't such a big deal.


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:55 PM

This is completely irresponsible of National to pull this out so late on units that have already done budgeting and began collecting dues that carry us through next year. As CC, I may have to recommend to our committee that we no longer include a Boys Life subscription in our Pack fees, which was only $50 for renewing scouts.


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#10 ItsBrian

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 04:08 PM

It could be worse timing. And $33 is not bad considering everything. I'm good with it. I think this isn't such a big deal.

@vumbi I'm good with it too, not a big deal. Scouting is expensive but is a great time.


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Posted 03 September 2017 - 08:32 PM

It's a 37.5% increase. Though if you annualize it since the last increase, it's about 9.4% per year. Which actually makes it sound worse. :)

Seriously, I think Scouting is a good value, now it's just a little less good.
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#12 MattR

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 08:58 PM

They added a FAQ that made them look particularly dumb. Yes, there have been increases an average of once every 5 years. But in this case it's been twice in 7 years and the total has doubled in 5 years? Didn't it used to be $15 five years ago? And yes, soccer costs $400 some place and that doesn't even include uniforms, but guess what, the $33 doesn't include uniforms either, or summer camp, or any camp, or anything within the council. So the $33 national gets just because is suddenly not so far off the $100 the council wants everyone to donate to FOS. For people that don't have much money this has just lowered the amount of money a lot of people will be giving to their council.

 

Truth be told, if national had less money they might have to focus on what's important so anyone that wants to complain ... go for it. Yes, I'll still pay for it but something about Thrifty is what bothers me about this. What expenses have doubled in the past 5 years? Be honest.


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#13 NJCubScouter

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:02 PM

It's kind of funny (ha ha) that it is on council sites but not on the National site, at least not on the home page or anywhere that I could find it in about five minutes of looking. For that matter, it's not on MY council's web site unless it is buried somewhere. Which I guess shouldn't surprise me since the front page of my council's web site is still urging people to sign up for the Jamboree (the one that already happened.)
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#14 qwazse

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:17 PM

My guess is this is the brunt of LDS not automatically enrolling every male child on its rolls.
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 05:43 AM

This is the most "official" message I've seen, so far. https://www.facebook..._location=group

 

While I think Scouts is still a good value, could someone please enlighten me on what exactly registration fees go towards?  Am I correct that NONE of this money is retained by council?  

 

I found this article on the previous increase to $24 which lists out some benefits funded by our fees (with my comments in red).  Please help me understand this. https://blog.scoutin...our-24-get-you/

 

  • Provide liability insurance to registered adult members, local councils, chartered organizations and the national organization (Ok, insurance, but seems like an organization as large as BSA could self-insure.)
  • Provide technological platforms for the Scouting movement (BSA & Technology aren't usually spoken together in the same sentence
  • Provide local councils with program as well as tools for camp and office planning and evaluation, extensive financial counseling, planned giving and fundraising information, and professional personnel support (My mandatory registration fee is used to teach fund raising?  Nothing better for fundraising than mandatory fees)
  • Coordinate a communications network through magazines and literature (handbooks, merit badge pamphlets, brochures, training materials, and professional development training) (We pay directly for handbooks, MB pamphlets, & UofScouting materials, etc..  Why do they need separate fees?)
  • Make available uniforms, equipment, and program supplies (Again, we purchase uniforms & equipment.  Why a fee to "make them available"?)
  • Develop and maintain year-round national high-adventure bases and execute national events (jamborees, National Eagle Scout Association and Order of the Arrow conferences, and National Council meetings) (High-adventure bases, jamborees, and summits that Scouts pay thousands of dollars to attend?)
  • Maintain communication with chartered organizations that use the Scouting program (religious institutions, civic organizations, labor unions, professional organizations, business, and industry) (Completely comical.  I know of zero instances where National has communicated with a CO.)
  • Maintain liaison with Scouting associations in other countries as a member of the World Scout Conference (Sure, but how much exactly does that really cost?)
  • Set and maintain program standards (e.g., Advancement, health and safety, etc.) to ensure consistency of the brand throughout councils across the country.  (Uh, ok...finally our last bullet actually deals with program development)

Edited by Pale Horse, 04 September 2017 - 05:46 AM.

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#16 Col. Flagg

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:12 AM

2.2m memebers x $9 increase just about covers shortfall of 180,000 LDS kids not registering. What I object to most is 1) the steep increase (last time we went from $18 to $24 with the same excuses), 2) no notice (should we really give money to an organization that has no clue they need to boost fees until now?), and 3) the patent lying about the justification for the rise.

I'm about fed up with BSA's inability to be honest with its members.

BTW, a $9 increase IS a big deal to some families. $33 is the ante in to the game. I want to see what has gone up so much that it requires BSA to rise rates THAT much. If you take their excuses and go back and read the last seven years of financial reports their excuses don't add up!! @Pale Horse hit the nail on the head with his review. We're being lied too by BSA. Why can't they just tell us the truth...for once?

EDIT: I was wrong, we went nationally from $15 to $24. The excuses then listed below.

http://www.scouting...._2013_fees.aspx

Edited by Col. Flagg, 04 September 2017 - 06:16 AM.

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#17 Eagle94-A1

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:37 AM

A 37.5% increase is HUGE. On top of that, some councils like mine add an insurance fee. And other councils are charging a surcharge. For those of us on a tight budget, it adds up FAST.

 

At one time all 5 in my family were supposed to be registered. $9 x 5 = $45 extra, That may not seem like a lot, but for some of us it is.

 

And in the manner national has been making these pronouncements, that is extremely troubling. Yes, I drink the company's bug juice from time to time. I am a former pro and understand some of the things they do. But this is ridiculous.


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#18 ItsBrian

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 07:14 AM

@Pale Horse Not a single thing you said in your post is wrong. Sad that it isn’t wrong, since they make up these unneeded reasons.
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Posted 04 September 2017 - 07:48 AM

I'm not that opposed to this. That national has felt the need to more than double the fee in recent years is the more worrying part.

It would be nice to see the adult fee drop -
even if the youth fee had to rise a little more. At some point it will be hard to ask adults for the money to volunteer.
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#20 ItsBrian

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:26 AM

I'm not that opposed to this. That national has felt the need to more than double the fee in recent years is the more worrying part.
It would be nice to see the adult fee drop -
even if the youth fee had to rise a little more. At some point it will be hard to ask adults for the money to volunteer.

@ParkMan I completely agree with you, (I’m still a youth) but VOLUNTEERS (empathized) shouldn’t have to pay a fee to volunteer. If they can keep residing the youth dues now, why not just factor in adult dues instead of wasting it on the stuff @Pale Horse has mentioned above.

Edited by ItsBrian, 04 September 2017 - 08:26 AM.

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