Have not found an official statement from the national office but several councils have posted this...
Like last time I don't like the timing.
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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:31 PM
Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:43 PM
Clarification on membership fees:
The National Council sets the annual Registration Fee for youth/adult members in the BSA. As of December 1st, this will increase from $24 to $33. It is worth noting that it is not prohibited for councils to set their own "program fees", "council surcharge", or other charges above the national Annual Fee to cover local operating costs. Individual units occasionally may also charge their own "dues" to help cover their expenses. The latter two are not required or universal practices, and they are usually collected at recharter/joining time.
Just some background information before this post blows up...
Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:54 PM
Can someone explain to me why we run bsa registration on the calendar year when all of the units and activities operate on the academic year? Most units have already collected dues for the Scout year so this $9 per scout/Scouter increase is going to be an unexpected expense that has not been collected.
Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:00 PM
If only because most units have already done budgeting for next year, this is poor timing, as noted already. But, unless we see concrete value back to the unit levels, this is truly poor judgment. And, if we soon read about more increases for National staff member pay, it could push many to serious revolt. If anything, the top 2 or 3 tiers of National staff could take a cut in pay to offset this, and they still would easily be more than sufficiently compensated. Of course, just my opinion, and I am at the level that actually delivers the program, so probably am not well informed or have an opinion that is valued very much.
Posted 03 September 2017 - 01:05 PM
Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:50 PM
It could be worse timing. And $33 is not bad considering everything. I'm good with it. I think this isn't such a big deal.
Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:55 PM
This is completely irresponsible of National to pull this out so late on units that have already done budgeting and began collecting dues that carry us through next year. As CC, I may have to recommend to our committee that we no longer include a Boys Life subscription in our Pack fees, which was only $50 for renewing scouts.
Posted 03 September 2017 - 08:32 PM
Posted 03 September 2017 - 08:58 PM
They added a FAQ that made them look particularly dumb. Yes, there have been increases an average of once every 5 years. But in this case it's been twice in 7 years and the total has doubled in 5 years? Didn't it used to be $15 five years ago? And yes, soccer costs $400 some place and that doesn't even include uniforms, but guess what, the $33 doesn't include uniforms either, or summer camp, or any camp, or anything within the council. So the $33 national gets just because is suddenly not so far off the $100 the council wants everyone to donate to FOS. For people that don't have much money this has just lowered the amount of money a lot of people will be giving to their council.
Truth be told, if national had less money they might have to focus on what's important so anyone that wants to complain ... go for it. Yes, I'll still pay for it but something about Thrifty is what bothers me about this. What expenses have doubled in the past 5 years? Be honest.
Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:02 PM
Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:17 PM
Posted 04 September 2017 - 05:43 AM
This is the most "official" message I've seen, so far. https://www.facebook..._location=group
While I think Scouts is still a good value, could someone please enlighten me on what exactly registration fees go towards? Am I correct that NONE of this money is retained by council?
I found this article on the previous increase to $24 which lists out some benefits funded by our fees (with my comments in red). Please help me understand this. https://blog.scoutin...our-24-get-you/
Edited by Pale Horse, 04 September 2017 - 05:46 AM.
Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:12 AM
Edited by Col. Flagg, 04 September 2017 - 06:16 AM.
Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:37 AM
A 37.5% increase is HUGE. On top of that, some councils like mine add an insurance fee. And other councils are charging a surcharge. For those of us on a tight budget, it adds up FAST.
At one time all 5 in my family were supposed to be registered. $9 x 5 = $45 extra, That may not seem like a lot, but for some of us it is.
And in the manner national has been making these pronouncements, that is extremely troubling. Yes, I drink the company's bug juice from time to time. I am a former pro and understand some of the things they do. But this is ridiculous.
"Train 'em. Trust 'em. LET THEM LEAD!" William "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt
Posted 04 September 2017 - 07:48 AM
Posted 04 September 2017 - 08:26 AM
@ParkMan I completely agree with you, (I’m still a youth) but VOLUNTEERS (empathized) shouldn’t have to pay a fee to volunteer. If they can keep residing the youth dues now, why not just factor in adult dues instead of wasting it on the stuff @Pale Horse has mentioned above.
I'm not that opposed to this. That national has felt the need to more than double the fee in recent years is the more worrying part.
It would be nice to see the adult fee drop -
even if the youth fee had to rise a little more. At some point it will be hard to ask adults for the money to volunteer.
Edited by ItsBrian, 04 September 2017 - 08:26 AM.
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