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#1 RivetSmasher

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 06:51 PM

At summer camp last week I was working with several new scouts(not my son) on some advancement. Most of the boys are working on Scout or Tenderfoot. I noticed that at the bottom of each requirement page it says something to the effect of "boys can work on Scout through First Class at the same time but cannot be awarded them out of order". I'm paraphrasing. The first rank that requires MBs is Star. Can these boys use the MBs they've earned at summer camp toward this rank? Several of them have earned Swimming which is required for Eagle. Thanks in advance.


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#2 mashmaster

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 07:25 PM

You are correct.  Scout ranks must be awarded in order of ranks Scout, Tenderfoor, Second Class, First Class, Star, Life, Eagle

 

Merit badge can be earned at anytime and can be used for Star, Life, and Eagle ranks.  The MB's are a way of introducing a skill to a scout.   

 

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#3 qwazse

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 10:01 PM

Yep, it can take years to achieve 1st Class, when a troop properly insists on skill mastery.
In the meantime, I encourage boys to one or two MBs at camp and a couple more in the off season ... Four a year.
I get them in the habit of writing each badge that they earned on the appropriate line in the Star requirements page.
That way, by the time they reach 1st class, Star becomes a matter of putting all their time in a position of responsibility.
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#4 Ankylus

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:17 PM

The answers above are correct.

 

Be aware that some troops adopt policies that prohibit scouts under First Class from working on MBs. (There is usually an exception for summer camp.) I have seen it twice. I strongly oppose this, and it may even be contrary to national policy. I don't know. But be aware that some troops are really whacked about this and that you might see or hear some people parrot that in conversation because they don't know any better.


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 03:24 PM

The answers above are correct.

 

Be aware that some troops adopt policies that prohibit scouts under First Class from working on MBs. (There is usually an exception for summer camp.) I have seen it twice. I strongly oppose this, and it may even be contrary to national policy. I don't know. But be aware that some troops are really whacked about this and that you might see or hear some people parrot that in conversation because they don't know any better.

This is the very tricky part of scout-mastering.

 

Sometimes a troop/patrol needs to lean one direction or another on advancement because of a strongly felt need. E.g., you may really need scouts to master 1st class skills for them to meat a goals of hiking and camping in a particular region. Thus you push everyone towards that rank, because the more scouts without basic camping skills, the more you have to "dumb" down the program for safety's sake considering where the boys will be and what they'll be expected to do.

 

On the other hand, you might have boys who want volunteer at the fire house and swimming pool. Well, then you might want to lean on everyone getting Fire Safety, Swimming, First Aid, and Lifesaving merit badges, and let trail to 1st Class be a focus on only a few weekends and meeting nights per year, again for safety's sake considering where the boys will be and what they'll be expected to do.

 

Needless to say, the next guy in line might hear either strategy (e.g. no MB's until 1st Class, or no 1st Class until MBs) as a hard-and-fast rule handed down from on high, when a plain reading of the program materials encourage flexibility and allowing boys to advance at their own pace.

 

That's why I strongly encourage scouts to read their handbook for themselves. It really is the first step in teaching a skill successfully.


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