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#21 Stosh

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 10:35 AM

qwazse one could have all kinds of camping, management (i.e. "leadership"), NYLT, Kodiak, NAYLE, etc. under their belt and not yet possess the internal grit of a gal/guy that's there at every turn with a helping hand, does a dozen good turns before breakfast, lives the Oath and Law, and has internalized scouting as a way of serving others in life.

 

Any honor society needs to evaluate potential members who are nominated for membership.  I really don't like the popularity voting of the OA.  Johnny/Janie is a great scout, here's the reason why, please consider him/her for membership.  Let the honor society make the decision instead of having a steady stream of sash and dash recruits.  

 

As scouters, the honors of District Award of Merit, Silver Beaver, etc. are determined by the nomination of others of the accomplishment in the field.  Maybe that would be a better way of selecting Venturerererers :) for membership in the society. 


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#22 Col. Flagg

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 12:30 PM

Any honor society needs to evaluate potential members who are nominated for membership.  I really don't like the popularity voting of the OA.  Johnny/Janie is a great scout, here's the reason why, please consider him/her for membership.  Let the honor society make the decision instead of having a steady stream of sash and dash recruits.


I agree @Stosh. What my unit has done is to announce each month who the top campers and service hour workers were. They are posted on the troop bulletin board and everyone can see each month who has what. Before elections, each candidate steps forward and their camping nights and service hours for the two year cycle, plus total camping and service hours, plus years of service are announced. That way the voters can see who the good campers and service provider are, not guess.

 

This approach really turned the elections on their head. Popular guys with low camping or service were not getting elected. Quiet, less popular kids with MEGA camping and service were getting elected in landslide votes.

 

THAT'S how to beat the current OA system. I agree, the criteria should be more strict and subject to a quantitative evaluation.


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#23 HashTagScouts

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:21 AM

I agree @Stosh. What my unit has done is to announce each month who the top campers and service hour workers were. They are posted on the troop bulletin board and everyone can see each month who has what. Before elections, each candidate steps forward and their camping nights and service hours for the two year cycle, plus total camping and service hours, plus years of service are announced. That way the voters can see who the good campers and service provider are, not guess.

 

This approach really turned the elections on their head. Popular guys with low camping or service were not getting elected. Quiet, less popular kids with MEGA camping and service were getting elected in landslide votes.

 

THAT'S how to beat the current OA system. I agree, the criteria should be more strict and subject to a quantitative evaluation.

 

 

it certainly is one way to change the culture.  I also tend to lean more on the OA members in the troop should be deciding on who is eligible (using the current criteria) for the election.  


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#24 HashTagScouts

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:24 AM

In part, the majority of Venturers I've interacted from LDS and non-LDS, troop-based and non-troop-based, high adventure and non-high adventure crews have all been in the program because the genuinely want to be in the program. They didn't join the program on the promise of awards. They joined it on the promise of sharing experiences they wouldn't normally be able to do with their peers.

 

My $0.02.

 

 

This is pretty much my experience as well, they are two very different programs.  Crews have options on advancement, if that is the crew culture they want to develop.


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#25 Tampa Turtle

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 09:57 AM

I deal with women ASM's and SM's and OA guys in our OA chapter all the time (and a few Sea Scouts as well). The issue that should even be "a thing" is disheartening. 


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#26 HashTagScouts

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 08:37 PM

I deal with women ASM's and SM's and OA guys in our OA chapter all the time (and a few Sea Scouts as well). The issue that should even be "a thing" is disheartening. 

 

 

I don't really see it as a male/female thing.  For the OA membership guidelines, male Venturers today cannot be elected to the OA unless they are also dual registered in a troop or Varsity team at the time of their election.    


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#27 qwazse

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 05:27 AM

I don't really see it as a male/female thing.  For the OA membership guidelines, male Venturers today cannot be elected to the OA unless they are also dual registered in a troop or Varsity team at the time of their election.

That all sounds fine and good, until you hear the history. Those rules were put in place after some female explorers/venturers were nominated to be tapped out, and lodge chiefs were okay with it.
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#28 Rover Scout

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 07:42 PM

Good evening -

 

I was given credit for leading the Venturing forum at the national jamboree.  My colleague Andrew Miller represented the senior volunteer leadership of the National Venturing committee and led the discussion.  

 

 

This last week at the National Scout Jamboree, the National Venturing Committee fielded two events for the Venturers in Foxtrot Base Camp: a Venturing Town Hall Meeting and Region Venturing Break-Out Meetings.

 

The first of the two was in two parts, an advisors-only session and a youth only-session. I was only able to attend the first one, and here were the major points from it:

  • There is talks of creating an honor society exclusively for Venturing. This idea was thrown out by one of the National committee guys, Kenneth King [CORRECTION: Andrew Miller]. In short, this program required applicants to take a pledge of service and then give a set amount of service a year. This was received with very mixed reactions.
  • If given the choice to create a Venturing-only honor society or integrate with the Order of the Arrow, the advisors primarily supported integration.

This town hall was not to create any binding decisions but more so to test reactions and gather responses from Venturing leaders in the field. If anyone has any points to add from the meeting (especially the youth meeting), please share.

 

In service,

 

Ken King


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 07:52 AM

Obligatory - didn't read the whole thread but : I'd say, hold OA elections in crews - use the same first class equivalent that is used for the National Outdoor Awards. 


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