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Best Answer ScoutTN , 06 July 2017 - 04:39 PM

Thanks for the additional replies. As I mentioned upthread, I am familiar with what the official BSA guidelines say.

 

I also know the pros and cons of Badge Magic vs. sewing. I have an older child in another scouting organization, so btdt. Not soliciting advice on that issue. 

 

We left his blue shirt intact. Never had any intention of taking his Bear and Bobcat badges off that. 

I got the khaki shirt from a friend, and it fits him with enough room for both Webelos years, but not likely beyond. It too will remain as a keepsake, after he crosses over to the troop.

 

For now he will go with an empty left pocket and we'll wait to see what his Cubmaster says. I like the oval webelos patch.  

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#21 qwazse

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 09:45 PM

.... Not soliciting advice on that issue. ....

Yep we're all about unsolicited advice!
That, and @Stosh told us not to beat a dead horse after a topic was marked solved. Yours was the first after he spouted that tidbit. So I figured it was a good opportunity to tenderize those steaks in spite of him. :p

Good scouting to you, and thanks in advance for all you do for the boys.
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#22 thrifty

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:53 AM

No one mentioned Velcro.  Am I the only one to use Velcro on my son's khaki uniform?  Love it.  I've never found blue but the tan works perfectly for his bsa uniform and we trim it to fit the badges so it's not very visible to begin with.  Not a big square like the military.

 

With the different scout ranks, patrols and troop leadership positions, the patches could constantly change.  We put the soft part on the uniform and the hooked part on the patches.  When my son advances a rank it's easy to just pull off the old one with a quick rip. Trim the self adhesive Velcro to fit the back of the new patch, apply a little pressure and stick the new one to the uniform.  He's smaller and he just outgrew his first khaki shirt.  His newest shirt has Velcro for every patch.  He'll probably outgrow at least one more shirt so this way we can just pull off all the patches and stick them on the next size.  Our council will also be changing names in the near future and changing that patch will be easier now.

 

He's never lost a patch on trips and camping.  The uniform is washed with the patches on and nothing has ever come off.  We use Velcro Brand Sticky Back for Fabrics 6"x4" beige tape.  It's found in our local craft stores and worth every penny.  It might take more than one to do a lot of patches but we save the smaller clippings and use those too.  It will not be possible to ever remove the soft Velcro from the uniform.  It becomes permanently glued on but if you trim the stuff to patch size, if you donated the uniform to someone else and they wanted to sew patches on, the Velcro would be covered anyway.

 

Merit badges are still sewn to the sash.


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:58 AM

Not a velcro fan. Does not look a crisp as a good sewing job which only takes just a bit more effort...and teaches a great skill.


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#24 thrifty

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 09:31 PM

Not a velcro fan. Does not look a crisp as a good sewing job which only takes just a bit more effort...and teaches a great skill.

 

I would debate with you about sewing being a great skill but that's not the intention of this thread (pun intended).  I was taught sewing in home economics class back in the 6th grade and in the decades that have passed I have only used it to sew on an occasional button or my son's patches.  I'm not saying its worthless but I would rate it lower than many of my other skills I use daily or weekly.  The wife doesn't sew at all.

 

I can also say that at least all of my son's patches are on his uniform and easily updated unlike many of the others in the troop.  Funny, CC (middle age mother of two if it makes any difference) was just at my house last night and complained about the sewing.  Scouts have gone into BOR with wrong ranks and offices because they didn't want to be bothered with the patches.  I also don't like the patch area of the shirt after patches have been sewn and removed several times for officer or rank.  IMO it weakens those areas greatly, not that it matters a lot.


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Posted 10 July 2017 - 07:29 AM

I have sewn patches and buttons on uniform shirts, tears in uniform pants, split seams on backpacks, holes in tents...when I was an advisor for Venturing reenactors, I sewed complete uniforms (12 Confederate uniforms, both coat and pants (no zippers, buttons and button holes only), and along with the occasional leather goods due to wear along with field modifications and tears that come with usage.  My dog tent with multiple buttons and sewn grommets is also 100% made by me.  Sewing on a button is a piece of cake compared to making and reinforcing the button holes.  Making kepis and forage hats is quite the challenge.  I also made a few bucks along the way in that reenactors looking for true authenticity, will pay $75-$85 for a completely hand-sewn shirt that costs <$10 in materials.

 

Other than that I find sewing quite relaxing in the evening.

 

My sister is a year older than me and growing up did all the housework, laundry, cooking, dishes, sewing, ironing, etc.  When she went away for college my mom turned to me and said it was my turn next.  I learned to do all of these things that senior year of high school.  Best year of my life.  I learned skills I have used every day since then, scouting is no exception.

 

I find it difficult to accept the excuse that sewing on a button or patch is too much work for an 11 year-old to learn.


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#26 Eagle94-A1

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 11:28 AM

I wish I knew how to sew with a machine. The two times I tried, the people working with me gave up, did the job themselves, and suggested classes.  So I only hand sew.  IT IS A VALUABLE LIFE SKILL! (emphasis, not shouting) Not only have I sewed numerous patches and buttons, But I have also used them to fix packs and tents. I also did several sets of regalia, both Northern Traditional and Straight, by hand. It's not that difficult.

 

A buddy of mine had the velcro rank patch set up. We were constantly joking with him, "You don't deserve this," and take it off.


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Posted 10 July 2017 - 01:30 PM

I would debate with you about sewing being a great skill but that's not the intention of this thread (pun intended).  I was taught sewing in home economics class back in the 6th grade and in the decades that have passed I have only used it to sew on an occasional button or my son's patches.  I'm not saying its worthless but I would rate it lower than many of my other skills I use daily or weekly.  The wife doesn't sew at all.

 

I can also say that at least all of my son's patches are on his uniform and easily updated unlike many of the others in the troop.  Funny, CC (middle age mother of two if it makes any difference) was just at my house last night and complained about the sewing.  Scouts have gone into BOR with wrong ranks and offices because they didn't want to be bothered with the patches.  I also don't like the patch area of the shirt after patches have been sewn and removed several times for officer or rank.  IMO it weakens those areas greatly, not that it matters a lot.

Wow ... this actually sounds like a validation for sewing if ever there was one!

 

See, if people really know how to sew, there is no visible mark on the shirt after patches are removed because the stitching is neat and the thread is a proper match. When you remove it, you simply undo the threadwork and there's little evidence that the former patch was there (unlike a giant blank patch of velcro waiting for its new patch - and what happens when that bit of velcro is itself removed, I might ask?). Also, sewing on a new patch takes maybe 10 - 15 minutes. Are our lives so impossibly hectic that we don't have a few minutes to sit and sew on a small patch? If so, we need to re-prioritize some things. Now, if I see a Scout walk into a Board of Review with the wrong patches, I don't blame sewing for being too hard. I don't blame his mother for not getting it done, heaven forbid. It's the boy's fault! A small infraction, mind you, but let's not blame the skill (or lack thereof) for the problem.

 

And as the son of a tailor, I apologize, but sewing is an invaluable skill that really has no replacement. My clothing lasts far longer that that of my friends because when something tears, I can fix it up, and if it gets worn, I can mend it. If I bulk up a bit at the gym I can alter pants or jackets accordingly, and when I slim down I can tailor them back to size. I can hem my own pants and modify my shirts - in fact my Scout uniform is even tailored to fit just right!. And my father the seamster can do a hundred times more. He upholsters the furniture, makes curtains, bedding, tablecloths, pillows, shirts, dresses, costumes - he made my sisters dolls when they were young and their prom and wedding dresses when they were older, he made us incredible Halloween costumes growing up - over the years my family has saved thousands of dollars that other families have to spend to buy all those things. So, while I apologize for the rant, I stick to the truth that for those who understand its manifold applications, sewing is a priceless skill.


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