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#21 Back Pack

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:30 AM

WOW! That trailer is huge! How big is your troop?

Don't think that's his. Doesn't Stosh have a small troop?

We do have a troop where I live that has not one but two such trailers.

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#22 Stosh

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:38 AM

WOW! That trailer is huge!  How big is your troop?

 

:)  I have 5 boys but they are young and don't know how to pack very well yet.  

 

Seriously, that picture is to show reference to the size of the camper in the accident.  This trailer is 6' shorter than the camper.  Why a Scouter would need that big of a "tent" is beyond me.

 

First of all, if I needed a camper that big at an event, I would take personal responsibility for it's transportation and not have other scouts or scouters in the vehicle with me, especially not buckled in.

 

A trailer that size needs an equalizer hitch.  That usually involves 3 points of contact, the ball-hitch and two torsion bars.  I would also think an anti-sway bar would be necessary.  That would be a fourth point of connection and with 2 safety chains, we are up to 6 connections.  How in the world did the two become separated?

 

Even if the wheels balanced the unit fairly well to minimize tongue weight, how was the trailer loaded?  too much weight to the front? (depresses rear, reduces effective steering on tow vehicle).  Too much in back?  (lifts rear, reduces effective rear wheel traction and stability with road)      

 

Irregardless of the G2SS policies, this whole situation kinda looks like it was an accident looking for a place to happen.


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#23 Col. Flagg

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 02:18 PM

Not at a Scout camp, but tragic nonetheless.

 

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#24 krikkitbot

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:04 PM

Maybe and maybe not .  The wind in Texas can be fearsome at times.  

 

Driving near Philmont a couple of weeks ago my SUV (no trailer) was blown into the left lane. I think you can still see my grip marks on the steering wheel. 


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#25 krikkitbot

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:22 PM

Yep, I went back to the pictures and the trailer seems to be a camper.  34' camper will not have the weight of a fairly loaded cargo trailer and will work like a sail in a cross-wind. 

 

Why does a scouter need a huge camper on a scout activity?

 

Well, It does say he was 78. Maybe he should have had a smaller camper or maybe he should have had a bigger pop-up tent. I feel bad questioning him since he was still giving back to scouting but... I'll leave it at that. 


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#26 Col. Flagg

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:36 PM

Well, It does say he was 78. Maybe he should have had a smaller camper or maybe he should have had a bigger pop-up tent. I feel bad questioning him since he was still giving back to scouting but... I'll leave it at that. 

 

Well, we as Scouters should always question things when they involve safety. If someone is afraid to speak up just to avoid hurting someone's feelings, you never know the consequences.

 

I think it is fair game to question the towing capacity of the vehicle, the need for such a long trailer, carrying Scouts with such a burdensome load and anything else that could have reduced the risk here (e.g., ensuring everyone was wearing seat belts).


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#27 krikkitbot

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:57 PM

Well, we as Scouters should always question things when they involve safety. If someone is afraid to speak up just to avoid hurting someone's feelings, you never know the consequences.

 

I think it is fair game to question the towing capacity of the vehicle, the need for such a long trailer, carrying Scouts with such a burdensome load and anything else that could have reduced the risk here (e.g., ensuring everyone was wearing seat belts).

 

Oh, I agree to question before an accident. To question now is to pass judgement without knowing all the details and he can't defend himself.


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#28 Col. Flagg

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 05:28 PM

Oh, I agree to question before an accident. To question now is to pass judgement without knowing all the details and he can't defend himself.

 

Well....I would argue that questioning the decision now might arm someone reading this with the information that might keep them, or someone they know, from doing the same thing.

 

I can tell you several units in my area immediately started keeping track of trailer weight and the towing capacity of all their trucks.

 

I wouldn't say we are passing judgement or anything. Just asking safety questions where we can learn after the fact. Even the NTSB does that...and it is helpful.


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