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#1 Cambridgeskip

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 03:16 PM

So.... my band of merry men and women were on camp at Gilwell Park over the weekend. Saturday morning some of them were on air rifle shooting and were instructed by a chap from California. Among his various eccentric ways he had names for all the rifles. All were female because, in his words, they are both beautiful and dangerous!

 

Just curious, is this a truly American thing? We've done shooting before and never encountered named rifles....

 

The rifles were call Elizabeth, Mary, Georgina and Juliette.


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#2 JasonG172

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 03:25 PM

LOL yes, its a very "old School" American thing.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 03:27 PM

Cows and obviously hurricane were also named only after women, until the Feminist movement made Hurricane Research Center start using male names as well. 


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 03:28 PM

For rifles,not common. It would be like having names for hammers or pliers. Cars are another matter. Many of my cars had names - Mean Machine, the BatteredMobile.

 

Davy Crockett called one of his rifles Old Betsy.

 

Old Marines are more likely to know the serial numbers of their issued M-1 or M-14 rifles than their marriage anniversary or wife's birthday.  :D


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#5 Col. Flagg

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 03:36 PM

So.... my band of merry men and women were on camp at Gilwell Park over the weekend. Saturday morning some of them were on air rifle shooting and were instructed by a chap from California. Among his various eccentric ways he had names for all the rifles. All were female because, in his words, they are both beautiful and dangerous!

 

Just curious, is this a truly American thing? We've done shooting before and never encountered named rifles....

 

The rifles were call Elizabeth, Mary, Georgina and Juliette.

 

Your first clue was "chap from California". Those folks are not like the rest of Americans and run a bit differently.  ;)

 

In Texas we don't name our guns, we number them according to where we carry them on our person. #1 is an S&W M&P 45. #2 is a Glock G19. #3 is a Winchester 94. #4 is my Kel-Tec KSG. :D  


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 06:41 PM

I only named one car in my lifetime.  Well, it named itself.  It was a 1970 Buick and the letter "I: fell off the front of the hood so it was thereafter called "Buck".


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 08:33 PM

Old Marines are more likely to know the serial numbers of their issued M-1 or M-14 rifles than their marriage anniversary or wife's birthday.  :D

 

 

Very true! My MCJROTC unit also gave our rifles girls' names. While the Marine instructor and cadet officers didn't use the exact language Gunnery Sergeant Hartman uses in Full Metal Jacket, it was similar.

 

 WARNING: Language  

 

 

 


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:04 AM

Cows and obviously hurricane were also named only after women, until the Feminist movement made Hurricane Research Center start using male names as well. 

 

I hope that cows are still getting female names, since a male wouldn't be a cow.  I also wish that the HRC would stay away from cutesy names. Hurricane Cynthia is way more intimidating than Hurricane Cindy...


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:12 AM

My GPS is "Martha".  A friend of my son's was taking a long road trip with her husband and 3 year old son.  For fun, they selected a different voice for the GPS.  By the end of the trip, the son was speaking with a distinct British accent.  (I know, you don't have an accent...we do!).LOL.  


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 06:40 AM

So I'll take that as something that happens but not everywhere....

 

The instructor was properly eccentric. As well as shooting he had an encyclopedic knowledge of Star Wars including weird stuff about light sabres. More interestingly he is also Buddhist and when one of our younger scouts was really struggling to hit anything and getting quite frustrated he used some basic meditation breathing exercises to calm him down, get him to focus and then he hit the target straight away.

 

Very interesting young man.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 07:45 AM

My GPS is "Martha".  A friend of my son's was taking a long road trip with her husband and 3 year old son.  For fun, they selected a different voice for the GPS.  By the end of the trip, the son was speaking with a distinct British accent.  (I know, you don't have an accent...we do!).LOL.  

 

Cor blimey Guv'nor! 'ees a lucky fella ain't 'e?

 

We have lots of different accents, as do you. I know the French do to. I guess everywhere does. And possibly, everything...Moo!

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 08:22 AM

I'd never heard the beautiful and dangerous explanation but I like it!

 

It was common where I grew up.  Basically anything that was associated with men (guns, cars, tractors, ships, etc.), that had any sort of association with aesthetic beauty (or orneriness), was often referred to as "she."   It wasn't as common to give the objects names, but, I'm not particularly surprised by it.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 08:30 AM

I've seen people name things that are quirky and unique. If it can have a personality of its own, it can be named. Guns could fall into that. Cars definitely fall into that. My guess is it started with boats. The older and more you've worked on it, the easier it is to name it.

 

As far as your shooting range instructor goes, speaking of quirky, I've met interesting young people all over the world. They are happy, confident, and content with who they are and don't mind using their character to facilitate creating a relationship. They tend not to worry about what others think, see the good in others, and they enjoy what they do.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:10 AM

Interesting question - and in fact many Americans do give their guns names - there is even an article in the American Rifleman from June 14, 2011 titled "Why Do We name Our Guns".

 

What may be unique is insisting that they all need to be named after a female.  While it seems to be traditional to name machinery (almost any machinery will do - from guns to boats to cars to planes) with a female name, the naming of guns may be the most varied - some are named after females, some may be named for beloved pets or hunting dogs, many are named for sentimental purposes, and some may be named for their destructive capabilities (death stroke, etc - though I really have to wonder if we want people who  name their guns things like death stroke to actually own guns - seems to me there might be a bit of mental instability amongst those folks - I'd much rather hunt with someone who names their gun Claire or Blue of Old Yeller than I would with someone who names their gun Vengeance).

 

Is it uniquely American?  That might be hard to answer - none of us on this side of the pond have any experience in the British armed forces so for all we know, British Marines name their guns.  You also have much stricter gun control laws over on your side of the pond so it's less likely that someone will have a gun. 

 

Or it could just be that we Americans are just as eccentric as many Brits are - just about different things.  I have a rifle and a shotgun at home - the rifle is a Remington, the shotgun is a Winchester.  I've named my rifle Winchester and have named my shotgun Remington.  I'll bet I can find some folks in England that have an encyclopedic knowledge of Dr. Who and who can tell us some really weird things about sonic screwdrivers.


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#15 Col. Flagg

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:22 AM

Interesting question - and in fact many Americans do give their guns names - there is even an article in the American Rifleman from June 14, 2011 titled "Why Do We name Our Guns".

 

 

https://www.american...-name-our-guns/


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:25 AM

 I'll bet I can find some folks in England that have an encyclopedic knowledge of Dr. Who and who can tell us some really weird things about sonic screwdrivers.

 

 

My GPS is "Martha". 

 

 

Martha Jones was OK. Sarah Jane Smith was the best companion. though.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:26 AM

 I have a rifle and a shotgun at home - the rifle is a Remington, the shotgun is a Winchester.  I've named my rifle Winchester and have named my shotgun Remington.

 

Saves on name engraving. :)


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 10:05 AM

Martha Jones was OK. Sarah Jane Smith was the best companion. though.

 

Donna Noble. She saved the universe. ;)


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 10:27 AM

Very true! My MCJROTC unit also gave our rifles girls' names. While the Marine instructor and cadet officers didn't use the exact language Gunnery Sergeant Hartman uses in Full Metal Jacket, it was similar.

 

 WARNING: Language  

 

Exactly.

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 12:33 PM

I have referred to things like that in the feminine....just like a boat I suppose....but never really to the extreme of individual names

 

My bet is they guy was just extending that as a way to make things fun and keep the scouts interested a bit.


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