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#21 Stosh

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 04:23 PM

I have often approached the "guidelines" like I do YPT.  The "guidelines" aren't there just for the protection of the scouts.  They protect the adults just as much if not more.  When BSA put's out a "guideline" they are saying, pay attention to this issue because it can be a problem if one is not careful.  Sometimes common sense isn't as common as we would think.  There are a number of scouters out there that simply do it "their way".  Which leads us to the probably of anything going wrong.  Most of the time, it's okay, but when things go South, the BSA warned them and it falls on the scouter who didn't listen.  We live in a risky world, especially when we take scouts out into a environment they are not used to.  This increases the risk and when one is planning activities the "guidelines" let everyone know BSA is aware of the risk and leaves common sense suggestions on how to deal with it. 

 

If one wishes to "bend" the "guidelines" to accommodate their unique situation, if all appropriate contingencies are in place, it's not recommended, but maybe the risks have been minimized for just that situation.  Still, it's in the hands of mature scouters with a modicum of common sense to be prepared to handle those risk should they arise.  BSA isn't going to be backing them up, you're on your own.  We all have to live with the consequences of our decisions.


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#22 numbersnerd

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 04:55 PM

If your decision really just boils down to CYA and liability, I guess you interpret those guidelines as hard and fast rules, don't ask any questions and just do what you can.

 

But what about those situations that fall in between?

Webelos backcountry backpacking - I get that, it's a no-no. And not something I would choose to do anyway. 

But it says nothing about backpacking in other situations. What if, instead of dropping gear at a campsite and taking the vehicle back to the park parking lot, you carry it in a mile or so? We encourage our Scouts to stretch their minds as well as their bodies, yet here we have adults discouraging that.

 

And my earlier asked but as yet unanswered question is still out there.

Winter camping. Against the guideline, but supported, encouraged, and rewarded across the country by districts and councils. Where does that fall? And why?

 

Enquiring minds want to know.


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#23 Lenae

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 10:46 PM

Wow, thanks for all the responses! I definitely have more research to do. I would like to say that our "assistant" den leader is a dad to one of our (soon to be) Webelos, and also the dad of a Boy Scout. He has BALOO training, and would be actively involved in the trip.

 

I still don't know if backpacking is allowed or not! I called my local council and they brushed me off, again. Our pack does pack wide campouts in the fall and spring, with a winter overnight activity indoors typically. We do day hikes as a pack once every couple of months or so. I'd say as far as packs go, ours does a pretty good job of keeping the outdoors an important part of our program. My den does a lot of outdoor stuff, and we are all, parents and Scouts, really looking forward to having the option to do den campouts, too. We have 9 Scouts in our den, and they all enjoy the camping and hiking aspects of Scouts, so they would definitely view backpacking as an adventure.

 

I guess I'll just keep digging for information, and see what I can come up with. Thanks again!


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