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#1 T2Eagle

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 08:44 PM

I was looking at the my.scouting.org Training Manager, and it is telling me that several of my committee members are untrained.  When I looked to see what training was missing I got this long list:

SCO_400 Scouting Organization for Boy Scouting SCO_401 Role of the Unit Key 3 for Boy Scouting SCO_402 Aims and Methods of Boy Scouting SCO_403 Ideals and Beliefs of Boy Scouting SCO_404 Scoutmaster and Patrol Leaders for Boy Scouting SCO_405 Patrol Method for Boy Scouting SCO_406 Outdoor Programs for Boy Scouting SCO_407 Advancement for Boy Scouting SCO_408 Uniforms for Boy Scouting SCO_409 Leader Uniforms for Boy Scouting SCO_410 Patrol Leaders Council Meeting for Boy Scouting SCO_411 Troop Meeting for Boy Scouting SCO_412 Troop Committee for Boy Scouting SCO_413 Troop Committee Meetings for Boy Scouting SCO_414 Annual Planning for Boy Scouting SCO_415 Intro to Merit Badges for Boy Scouting SCO_530 Journey to Excellence.

 

I've never even heard of most of these, has anyone else seen anything like this?


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#2 Fehler

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:55 AM

That's the module method of training.  They've broken up all the committee/leader online trainings into pieces, so if you took both the Cubmaster training and later took the Den Leader training, you could skip the modules you already covered for the previous position.


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#3 Col. Flagg

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 09:46 AM

I was looking at the my.scouting.org Training Manager, and it is telling me that several of my committee members are untrained.  When I looked to see what training was missing I got this long list:

SCO_400 Scouting Organization for Boy Scouting SCO_401 Role of the Unit Key 3 for Boy Scouting SCO_402 Aims and Methods of Boy Scouting SCO_403 Ideals and Beliefs of Boy Scouting SCO_404 Scoutmaster and Patrol Leaders for Boy Scouting SCO_405 Patrol Method for Boy Scouting SCO_406 Outdoor Programs for Boy Scouting SCO_407 Advancement for Boy Scouting SCO_408 Uniforms for Boy Scouting SCO_409 Leader Uniforms for Boy Scouting SCO_410 Patrol Leaders Council Meeting for Boy Scouting SCO_411 Troop Meeting for Boy Scouting SCO_412 Troop Committee for Boy Scouting SCO_413 Troop Committee Meetings for Boy Scouting SCO_414 Annual Planning for Boy Scouting SCO_415 Intro to Merit Badges for Boy Scouting SCO_530 Journey to Excellence.

 

I've never even heard of most of these, has anyone else seen anything like this?

 

We had the same issue. They took the Troop Committee Challenge and This is Scouting and broke in down from the two, easy modules to 47,000 tiny modules. Stupid!

 

We what did was this:

  • For volunteers who had already completed the two modules, we credited them with all the new modules (which are actually contained in the original two)
  • For new volunteers, they need to take the new modules.

We did something similar for SMs.


Edited by Col. Flagg, 09 May 2017 - 09:46 AM.

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#4 Eagle94-A1

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 10:53 AM

It could be worse.  My council never kept track of training records. It was just never put into the system until about 12 years ago, when National pushed it. Long story short, 99.99999% of the district was untrained. That included myself, training chairman, and our district commissioner who served on PTC staff.

 

We did a training survey, verified who did what, and turned in the report to the council to fix.

 

Now I believe the district training chairman can update those records.


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#5 TAHAWK

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 11:47 PM

It's fifteen minutes in Scoutmaster Position-Specific, which is itself a joke and just under eight minutes in "SCO_405 Patrol Method for Boy Scouting."

 

So BSA pretends to train and the Scouter pretends to be trained.

 

For crying out loud.   :(


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#6 qwazse

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 06:05 AM

...So BSA pretends to train and the Scouter pretends to be trained....

You were expecting chapter quizzes from the SM handbook?
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#7 Back Pack

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 06:30 AM

You were expecting chapter quizzes from the SM handbook?


A very good idea and easy to implement with computer based training.
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#8 TAHAWK

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 08:14 AM

You were expecting chapter quizzes from the SM handbook?

No, the topic is not covered there either.  It's been decades since the last coherent description of the  Patrol Method from National.  The elements are still out there in BSA literature, but so are absolutely incorrect statements: [In discussing BSA "Methods"]:  "Patrols are one component of what we call youth-run, or youth-led, troop."


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#9 T2Eagle

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 01:40 PM

There are some topics that should work well with internet based learning.  Certainly Troop Committee Challenge is straight forward enough to be covered that way.  I am skeptical that SM specific training can be done suffciently well as a passive lecture format.  On the other hand, at least that avoids the passing on of the many scouting urban legends.  Two of my ASMs came back from their training complete with the "You have to be in uniform to be covered by insurance" nonsense


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#10 Col. Flagg

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 02:20 PM

There are some topics that should work well with internet based learning.  Certainly Troop Committee Challenge is straight forward enough to be covered that way.  I am skeptical that SM specific training can be done suffciently well as a passive lecture format.  On the other hand, at least that avoids the passing on of the many scouting urban legends.  Two of my ASMs came back from their training complete with the "You have to be in uniform to be covered by insurance" nonsense

 

A standard, centralized computer-based learning module would certainly eliminate such training folklore.


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