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#21 Stosh

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 09:48 AM

facism

1.

(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.
(initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922 43.

 

Socialism

 

1.

a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
 
Capitalism
 
1.
an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
 
Pick your poison.... or better yet, make up your own concoction on the fly.  :)

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 10:26 AM

It's just words. This Czech party is in fact an extreme far-right and/or neo-Nazi party, depending on which article you read. In the U.S. "Workers Party of Social Justice" would more likely be a "progressive" or "left-wing" party, but even here we had the "U.S. Labor Party" which had nothing to do with labor or the "labor party movement", and the "National Democratic Policy Committee", which had nothing to do with the Democratic Party. They were both vehicles for crazy-right-wing Lyndon LaRouche.

This is so much more than any political party, this is part of Czech's messy history. First the Nazis came through and destroyed everything. Then the Soviets came through. Then the Soviets came back in force in 68. They finally left in 89, recent enough that this girl's grand parents lived through what happened and very well could have been involved in fighting the Soviets. This is not just a scout at a political rally in a peaceful democracy where people argue about taxes. This is about people that have lived through some horrific things.

 

There's more to this picture than what you see. I went and looked around and found some other photos of that event. This march was just one of several things going on that day. There was dancing and people eating picnics and all sorts of fun stuff. There were a few photos of the sign that the girl was holding and someone translated it. It was something like "we can help raise your kids." In other words, the scouts were trying to recruit other scouts at a festival when all of a sudden the Nazi party came marching through and the girl stood her ground. The reason I'm saying it was the Nazi party is that someone identified what the guy was wearing.


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#23 TAHAWK

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 10:49 AM

What I find interesting is that neither Hitler nor Il Duce had complete power.  Both had to give some decision-making power and deference to others.  So the German air force had its own armored division, really double-sized,  as this amused  Der dicke Hermann.  Most of the generals who strongly argued with Hitler were retired, not shot or even removed from the military ranks.    Those thought to be involved in attempted assassination were, of course, executed - or forced to commit "suicide in Rommel's case..

 

Now Uncle Joe was close to the real thing.  Those who were even suspected of disagreement were shot.  

 

Then we have the Supreme Nut in North Korea.


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#24 qwazse

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 11:36 AM

"nut", but did he make money (counterfeit or otherwise) at it?


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#25 TAHAWK

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 11:48 AM

"nut", but did he make money (counterfeit or otherwise) at it?

Surely he lives high off the proverbial hog, but should he stumble, the list of those who will appear with long knives gets longer and longer even as he murders 100,000s by starvation and otherwise   Can't take it with you, and all that.   :)


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#26 NJCubScouter

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 11:48 AM

"Crazy"  But did he make money at it?   :rolleyes:

 

I suspect you know this:  He did make money, but the manner in which he made the money resulted in a five-year stay in federal prison.  https://en.wikipedia...nal_convictions

 

I am not sure how much, if any, of the money he got to keep.  Maybe that is in that article somewhere, but I didn't read the whole thing. 


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#27 TAHAWK

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:15 PM

Oh, him.  I lost track of which nut was the topic, Lyndon or Kim, nutty politician or nutty dictator.  Sorry.


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Posted 10 May 2017 - 12:30 PM

Oh, him.  I lost track of which nut was the topic, Lyndon or Kim, nutty politician or nutty dictator.  Sorry.

 

It is difficult to keep all the crazy people straight sometimes.


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Posted 10 May 2017 - 02:22 PM

Oh, him.  I lost track of which nut was the topic, Lyndon or Kim, nutty politician or nutty dictator.  Sorry.


Nutty Kim makes money by selling natural resources and having his diplomats abroad sell street drugs.
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#30 ianwilkins

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:08 AM

 

Is that a political rally?

 

UK HQ actually organise officially sanctioned participant groups at the UK pride events. All seems very jolly fun and colourful.


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#31 Back Pack

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 05:36 AM

Is that a political rally?

UK HQ actually organise officially sanctioned participant groups at the UK pride events. All seems very jolly fun and colourful.

You think it's not? It's a rally with a political purpose. It doesn't have to be in support of a candidate to be considered a political rally. The bsa has said as much.

Would you support a troop going to a "parade" of "whites only" celebrating white heritage? Come on, of courses it's a rally with a political purpose.

Edited by Back Pack, 11 May 2017 - 05:39 AM.

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#32 RememberSchiff

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 06:22 AM

Let's give some slack on that line stretching across "the pond".

 

It is more common, that any gathering here quickly becomes political.  Why do I worry when any government official is invited to an Eagle banquet?

 

My perception

    Macy's Thanksgiving Parade - not political

    Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade - very political

   

My $0.02


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#33 Cambridgeskip

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 07:05 AM

You think it's not? It's a rally with a political purpose. It doesn't have to be in support of a candidate to be considered a political rally. The bsa has said as much.

Would you support a troop going to a "parade" of "whites only" celebrating white heritage? Come on, of courses it's a rally with a political purpose.

 

I think this is a trans atlantic difference. Equality for the LGBT community is just not considered a political issue here anymore. Sure homophobia and transphobia still exists, but it's a social problem on a par with racism and sexism. It's only political in so far as there are differences between politicians on what to do about it as opposed to there being any differences on the principle of equality for the LGBT community.


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#34 Back Pack

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 07:33 AM

Let's give some slack on that line stretching across "the pond".
 
It is more common, that any gathering here quickly becomes political.  Why do I worry when any government official is invited to an Eagle banquet?
 
My perception
    Macy's Thanksgiving Parade - not political
    Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade - very political
   
My $0.02


I think it's safe to say a gay pride parade is political no matter where you live around the pond
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#35 David CO

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 08:47 AM

I think this is a trans atlantic difference. Equality for the LGBT community is just not considered a political issue here anymore. Sure homophobia and transphobia still exists, but it's a social problem on a par with racism and sexism. It's only political in so far as there are differences between politicians on what to do about it as opposed to there being any differences on the principle of equality for the LGBT community.

 

I very much doubt that is true.  


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#36 Cambridgeskip

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 09:07 AM

I very much doubt that is true.  

Well here is an outline of the major political parties LGBT policies from the UK 2015 general election. The only parties not campaigning on a platform of looking to do something positive for the LGBT community were DUP (8 MPs exclusively in Northern Ireland where the mainstream parties don't even both fielding candidates because the political situation is barking mad) and UKIP with 1 MP, a single issue party that is now a non entity since the EU referendum last year. And frankly find me the UKIP voter who gave a monkey's about anything other than EU membership. That's in a total of 650 MPs

 

Seriously. You won't find a party with any realistic pretensions to holding power doing anything other than supporting LGBT equality. With the exception of parts of Northern Ireland it's a no longer a political issue here.


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#37 TAHAWK

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 09:40 AM

So it's a transatlantic issue. 


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#38 qwazse

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 12:53 PM

You think it's not? It's a rally with a political purpose. It doesn't have to be in support of a candidate to be considered a political rally. The bsa has said as much.

Would you support a troop going to a "parade" of "whites only" celebrating white heritage? Come on, of courses it's a rally with a political purpose.

You are describing cultural purposes. Not political.

One is the celebration of permissive sexual ethics; the other, of a lack of melanin. :blink:


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#39 TAHAWK

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:14 PM

 And the "Culture Wars" have become the basis of some of out hottest political controversies.


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