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#1 BeastlyGaming

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 08:44 PM

Would I (16) be able to teach, or demonstrate certain areas of the Programming merit badge, under the supervision of the Counselor in charge?

 

This is without being going to any summer camps as a counselor or staffer there... This would be in the troop and under charge of the merit badge counselor.

Obviously I wouldn't be signing off and the Counselor would review this material fully and in detail with the scouts but me being able to summarize and show how to do something like how to make an application that's simple, show and tell how the code works; ect.


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#2 MrBob

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 09:20 PM

You can teach Scouts in your Troop, or any troop, or even non-Scouts, just about anything you'd care to.  Good on you for offering!

 

Obviously, the registered Merit Badge Counselor would have to sign off as each Scouts completes each requirement, but there's no rule saying the MBC is the sole deliver-er of knowledge.  You'd just be the "guest instructor".

 

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#3 qwazse

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 09:41 PM

Absolutely! We often have our scouts teach aspects of MBs ... even to scouts who aren't working on a MB.

This is especially true if the skills being demonstrated have become the scout's hobby.

In fact, sometimes by having a scout demonstrate a skill, the other scouts better know exactly what they are supposed to do for their counselor.


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#4 Stosh

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 10:19 PM

Go for it, sounds good to me.


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#5 Chisos

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 07:04 AM

Sounds awesome, do it!

 

If the question was about "allowed to teach MB's..." look at the Life rank req's.  One of the options is for a scout to use EDGE to teach something from one of the Eagle-required MB's...then the scout being taught can demonstrate their new skill and get it signed off by a MBC.


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#6 BeastlyGaming

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:14 AM

I will be working on a presentation for Programming merit badge, I will assist in teaching HTML, Java and Python to a group of interested scouts :>

 

 I will also be teaching about the History & Languages and how they're used and translated. :D


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#7 SSScout

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:20 PM

No COBAL?   No  FORTRAN?   Why did I waste my time in college....


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#8 qwazse

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 04:49 AM

No COBAL?   No  FORTRAN?   Why did I waste my time in college....

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 08:47 AM

Moving this to the Advancement section, though I am not sure whether there is anything more to say on the subject, since we already seem to be getting into let-me-tell-you-how-it-was-40-years-ago territory.  :)


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#10 Stosh

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:17 PM

With the rapid pace of change in the computer world, BSA is always going to be a day late and a dollar short.  20 years ago when I was doing the Computer MB, it was so out-of-date it was pathetic.  Even if they were to update it to today's standards, by the middle of next week it's going to be obsolete.  It's just the nature of the beast. 

 

Just remember, the US put a man on the moon using a slide rule.


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#11 Col. Flagg

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:29 PM

Moving this to the Advancement section, though I am not sure whether there is anything more to say on the subject, since we already seem to be getting into let-me-tell-you-how-it-was-40-years-ago territory.   :)

 

Well, when you have mainframes that have been running large parts of our government and financial services industry for the better part of 40 years, it's as much a conversation about then as now. Just sayin'.


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#12 Stosh

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:45 PM

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#13 TAHAWK

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 10:43 PM

The Guide to Advancement expressly provides for persons other than Merit Badge Counselors to instruct on Merit Badge topics.  See B.S.A., Guide to Advancement (2015) at p. 50: "It is permissible for guest speakers, guest experts, or others who are not merit badge counselors to assist in the counseling process. Those providing such assistance must be under the direction of a registered and approved counselor who is readily available onsite, and provides personal supervision to assure all applicable BSA policies and procedures—including those related to BSA Youth Protection—are in place and followed."


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#14 Stosh

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 06:27 AM

The Guide to Advancement expressly provides for persons other than Merit Badge Counselors to instruct on Merit Badge topics.  See B.S.A., Guide to Advancement (2015) at p. 50: "It is permissible for guest speakers, guest experts, or others who are not merit badge counselors to assist in the counseling process. Those providing such assistance must be under the direction of a registered and approved counselor who is readily available onsite, and provides personal supervision to assure all applicable BSA policies and procedures—including those related to BSA Youth Protection—are in place and followed."

 

I believe this is the clause summer camps use to cover themselves for providing CIT's for MB instruction.


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Posted 07 April 2017 - 08:23 AM

No need for cover.  What they routinely do that is shameful is:

 

1) allow Scouts who don't know the subject to teach ("Bear bags are made of special material so the bears can't smell what;s in them.");

 

2)  allow Scouts to decide who gets a signed Blue Card; andc

 

3) have those Blue Cards signed after zero individual testing/passing.  

 

Not Trustworthy.  100% scam.  All to raise $$$.  

 

At least the mistaken advancement-mill SMs are not doing it for money, just out of a mistaken belief that advancement is a goal - the same blunder as Journey to Mediocrity.

 

But BSA is responding, if belatedly and without admitting the depth of the scandal, first with the rule that the honest SM can block awarding the MB if he determines it could not, in fact, have been earned, as with the 16-year-old "Counselor" or impossibly-short time available.  Next should come refusal to certify camps who lack Merit Badge Counselors for Merit Badges that they "offer."  ("Pssst.  Kid!  Want a Personal Management Merit Badge from scratch in five fifty-minute sessions?  Get your troop to Camp Runamuk.")


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#16 MattR

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:01 AM

... first with the rule that the honest SM can block awarding the MB if he determines it could not, in fact, have been earned...

 

Tell us more. It's always a struggle.

 

 

 

BTW, @SSScout, Fortran is still very much used and has been continually updated. It's widely used in scientific computing, especially on big machines (roughly 1M cores, 10's to 100's of Teraflops, Megawatts of power.)  Granted, there are no more card decks. ;)


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#17 Col. Flagg

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 10:04 AM

No need for cover.  What they routinely do that is shameful is:

 

 

True Story: In 2012 we were in a camp in NM. The young man teaching Geology appeared knowledgeable. The course was taught in a nice forest area, so I hung out (within ear shot) and just chilled. The first class went okay. For the next four days the class covered where to find diamonds, gold, iron ore and redstone in Minecraft...and how to craft things from them. I kid you not. We had a USGS employee as one of our ASMs. We offered the camp director his services to teach or help in the class. They refused.

 

When we got home we met with all the parents and boys who took the class. We read them the section of the GTA dealing with MBs that were signed off but not really earned. We offered a class for all the boys (and others) affected, run by the USGS dad. Everyone got signed off.

 

Needless to say, we won't be going back to that camp any time soon.


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#18 qwazse

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 08:16 AM

... BTW, @SSScout, Fortran is still very much used and has been continually updated. It's widely used in scientific computing, especially on big machines (roughly 1M cores, 10's to 100's of Teraflops, Megawatts of power.)  Granted, there are no more card decks. ;)

But, you can still learn it from a coloring book ...

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Cold war humor + crayons.

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#19 Stosh

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 03:46 PM

Fortran is to mainframes as Basic is to PC's.


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