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I was not aware there are US Border agents working pre-clearance to US at Canadian airports (currently 9). The procedure is also in effect at the Port of Vancouver, at Vancouver’s train station and on some B.C.-Washington ferry routes.

Pre-clearance is expected to be introduced at Montreal’s train station for Amtrak’s Montreal-New York City route later this year.

 

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2017/03/30/canadians-growing-uneasy-about-more-power-for-u-s-border-guards-in-canada/

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2017/02/13/bill-c23-proposed-legislation-would-heighten-powers-of-u-s-border-guards-in-canada/

 

An  international agreement with the US in 2015 permitted U.S. border agents to operate on Canadian soil, in airports, rail, bus and other terminals. This was to create “pre-clearance†to reduce delays at US entry points.

 

Now a new federal proposal, Bill C-23 would give U.S. agents on Canadian soil, even more powers, including the power to detain Canadians, conduct strip searches of Canadian travellers, and to carry sidearms.

 

“A Canadian going to the U.S. through a pre-clearance area [on Canadian soil] can say: ‘I don’t like the way [an interview is] going and I’ve chosen not to visit your country.’ And they can just turn around and walk out,†says Calgary immigration lawyer Michael Greene, the national chair of the Canadian Bar Association’s citizenship and immigration section.

 

“Under the new proposed bill C-23, they wouldn’t be able to walk out. They can be held and forced to answer questions, first to identify themselves, which is not so offensive, but secondly, to explain the reasons for leaving, and to explain their reasons for wanting to withdraw,†Greene says.

 

 

A survey released today by the polling firm Angus Reid Institute shows Canadians are becoming more uneasy about giving American authorities more powers on Canadian soil.

 

IMO, very odd, sounds like the movie Casablanca. :confused:

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Well, if they visit some college campuses, and they are conservatives, they might not be afforded the acceptance of diversity that the law and society requires, so I see their point.

How is this nonsensical? I think it's a reasonable precaution. I'm a natural born US citizen, but I wouldn't take a scout unit into Canada in the current environment as I'm not sure I would be able to

Given the temporary nature of the travel ban I think that the Canadian Guides are indeed jumping the gun.   But as per Rick's comments it is something that organisations around the world, whether th

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine! :)

Sorry. Just wanted to point out to the Canadians that there are countries wHere their girls wouldn't have basic human rights to put their indignation about the USA in perspective.

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The USA has had border and customs agents living inside countries for years. Most of the time aligned with the embassy.

Having them at the US Embassy (US soil) is different from having them at a Canadian airport (Canadian soil). If I was a Canadian, I would not allow a foreign government police powers on Canadian soil. I would be ok with the US pre-screening and Go/No-go but detaining should be a matter for solely for RCMP or Canadian police.

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Having them at the US Embassy (US soil) is different from having them at a Canadian airport (Canadian soil). If I was a Canadian, I would not allow a foreign government police powers on Canadian soil. I would be ok with the US pre-screening and Go/No-go but detaining should be a matter for solely for RCMP or Canadian police.

I should be clear. Aligned with embassies meaning they report there, but working at POEs. I know they are at Munich airport as I recently ran in to them there.

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Stupid is as stupid does. If they don't want to come to the US, fine. They can stay in Canada. There is plenty to keep them occupied in Canada. Ever been to BAMF? They have wonderful resources for their program in Canada.

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