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#21 David CO

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 11:29 PM

You're the one who said fire volunteers. I'm still trying to figure out what the OP did that you'd consider firing her.

I wasn't aware volunteers could be fired. No joke.

 

I would not allow anyone to participate in our unit who does not fully understand and accept the fact that the Chartered Organization owns the unit.


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#22 Back Pack

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 06:46 AM

I would not allow anyone to participate in our unit who does not fully understand and accept the fact that the Chartered Organization owns the unit.


Some COs don't get that they own the unit. Some COs treat the unit like a border or tenant. It might be the case here but I don't think we know.
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#23 David CO

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 09:21 AM

Some COs don't get that they own the unit. Some COs treat the unit like a border or tenant. It might be the case here but I don't think we know.

 

That is true.  All we are told is that the COR is aware of the situation and seems to be fine with it.


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#24 NJCubScouter

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 04:29 PM

What the original poster actually said was:  "But COR and Council have supposedly been made aware of it, and don't seem to mind."  

 

What "supposedly" means is that someone else TOLD beaglelover that the COR (and council) were made aware of it and don't seem to mind.  So she doesn't actually know whether anybody told anybody anything.

 

As for "fired", I agree with RS, we should not get tied up over terminology.  Some people use "fired" narrowly, to refer only to paying employment.  Others use it more broadly.  I guess I fall into that category.  I can tell you that attorneys often speak of "firing" a client, even though the paying relationship works the other way.  And I have used the term in the past to refer to an involuntary termination of a volunteer.  I was once on the board of trustees of a small local foundation, and the terms of one group of trustees was expiring, and all expressed interest in being re-appointed.  One of these trustees, however, had made a nuisance of herself, was pursuing personal agendas, giving the foundation a less-than-perfect reputation among some of our beneficiaries, and generally "not playing nicely with others".  The board decided to reappoint all of the trustees except her.  We were all volunteers.  Was this trustee "fired"?  Well, you could say that her term expired and she wasn't reappointed.  Or you could say she was fired.  It all works out the same to me, and I am sure she felt like she was fired.


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#25 frankpalazzi

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 09:18 PM

As for the budget, we are aware that the pack is using atrocious fiscal controls.  Our CC and treasurer are mother/daughter.  The only report on the bank account is a monthly word document from the treasurer, that as DL we used to get a copy of, but now that the mother of the treasurer has become CC, we no longer get a copy of.  We heard that they are going ahead with getting debit cards (against BSA policy) and last we heard the CC determined that the word document was sufficient reporting and that the bank statements would not be turned over to either the Cubmaster or Secretary for records.  All of this is secondhand, however, as the last "leaders meeting" we tried to attend we were kicked out of.  It is pretty much straight out of the "how to embezzle money" playbook.  But COR and Council have supposedly been made aware of it, and don't seem to mind.  Apparently we really trust this family.  If I had to guess, we don't actually have a written budget.

As others have said, there should be total transparency in unit finances.  I was Treasurer for our Troop/Pack for over twenty years.  Along came a couple of cronies who, for some reason, just didn't want me to have the job.  Mind you, I would bring a large ring binder with ALL the bank statements and cancelled checks, all receipts, the checkbook itself, and the ledger.  I too would just copy transactions and numbers from the previous month onto a word document. (Excel is NOT my friend!) Spending categories were accurately and painstakingly broken down and accounted for to the penny.  Despite the fact that I would bring everything, lay it on the table, remind everyone that all was open for inspection, no one ever looked at any of it! Hmmm...  After a few months of harrassment (read: insinuation of mishandling of funds)  by the "cronies", I walked away from the job.  They couldn't wait to audit my books!  When the report was given that "all appears to be in good order" by those who did the audit, I was told by someone present that the Cronies' faces dropped. Big Time.  They were actually removed by the CO for this and other antics.  They now reside in another unit across town, and I'm told that the "house" isn't exactly in "good order".  Kind of self-fulfiliing.  :)

 

Do you know who your Chartered Organization Representative is?  Is he/she OK with the present arrangement?  If so, there's really nothing you can do about it.  The District/Council doesn't get involved in these types of matters unless they're not getting their share of the action.

 

Also, debit cards aren't prohibited by BSA, but they do declare them "not recommended" or "strongly discouraged".  Our CO prohibits the use of them by the troop and pack, and when they found out they were using them (after my Treasurer gig), they went directly to the bank and cancelled them!

 

Just my $.04


Edited by frankpalazzi, 13 March 2017 - 09:37 PM.

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