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#1 Cubmaster Pete

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 06:46 PM

Both the Pack and Troop share the same CO, a local sportsman club. We have a great relationship with them, they are financially supportive.

 

The pack meets at church in town. The church hall has a better layout for us as a pack. The troop meets at the club, which has a bar. They meet in the room with the bar, but I do not believe the bar is open at the time of the troop meetings. It is stocked with alcohol in plain view.

 

Thoughts? It this ok? I feel like its a fine line. 


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#2 RememberSchiff

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 06:53 PM

The CO is responsible for providing a meeting place, but the unit can meet elsewhere.

 

Meet elsewhere.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:30 PM

Is the alcohol locked up or otherwise not accessible to the scouts?

 

Yes?  I'd meet at the club.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:33 PM

Is the alcohol locked up or otherwise not accessible to the scouts?

 

Yes?  I'd meet at the club.

 

Checking into that, but I am leaning toward its not....


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:42 PM

Checking into that, but I am leaning toward its not....

If not, then I'd recommend finding another site and explaining the circumstances to the CO ("CO, no offense but....").

 

As a former bartender, I'd find it interesting and a little surprising if they didn't lock up their alcohol.   Even under lock and key, it tends to walk away.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:48 PM

If not, then I'd recommend finding another site and explaining the circumstances to the CO ("CO, no offense but....").

 

As a former bartender, I'd find it interesting and a little surprising if they didn't lock up their alcohol.   Even under lock and key, it tends to walk away.

 

 

It's a private club. I don't think they would mind if we didn't meet there (the pack does not anyways) but its convincing current leaders they should....


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#7 RememberSchiff

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:49 PM

Sportsmen (shooting sports) clubs around here removed their bars years ago. Bad mix.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 08:03 PM

Sportsmen (shooting sports) clubs around here removed their bars years ago. Bad mix.

 

Agreed. We brought the boys to a club meeting to give our annual report. Packed with guys drinking. Turned me off right away.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 08:21 PM

Seems like a bad night waiting to happen. Not the best idea to have youth around alcohol. Especially if they are ever unattended.
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Posted 06 March 2017 - 10:29 PM

It's a private club. I don't think they would mind if we didn't meet there (the pack does not anyways) but its convincing current leaders they should....

 

I wouldn't be so sure about that.  It is important to remember that the CO owns the unit.  It's their unit.  They might actually like having their unit meet at their facility.

 

It would not be at all unusual for a sportsman's club to have youth members of similar age (to their boy scouts). It's even possible that some of the scouts are members of the club.  

 

For all we know, the boys might like meeting at the club.  It sounds like it might be a pretty cool place to meet. More so than a church basement, I would guess.

 

I would tread lightly here.  I think a quiet conversation with the COR might let you know if this is something you should pursue, or if you should leave it alone.  Good luck.


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#11 qwazse

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 11:08 PM

As a parent, I would be concerned that reasonable precautions have been made to secure the liquor.

 

Probably, it wouldn't hurt from time to time for the older scouts to hear from one of the bartenders about state regulations and the problems that could arise from a youth "raiding the cupboard."

 

But, it is healthy for the boys and parents to know who their CO is -- that includes the good, bad, and ugly.

 

In fact, if the club has a range safety officer who is good with youth, it might not hurt to have a kids' shooting night one night a week. Members would be informed that the bar will be closed that night.

 

But if stuff isn't going to be kept under lock and key, and a good faith effort is not made to educate the older youth, I wouldn't use the club as a troop meeting place.


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 12:11 AM

The club charters both the pack and the troop. The pack meets at the church, and they are aware. Never said a word.

 

A few months ago, we helped with a trash pickup. While we were there, lots of club members walking around with open containers, guns waving around, etc..... I was uncomfortable, so were the other leaders that were with. 

 

We were offered to fundraise during open shoots, but my leadership is concerned about the open containers at these events too.


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 06:46 AM

Uhhhh.....no. I'm far from a teetotaler. My family is far from teetotalers. But there is no way Id have tweens and teens meet somewhere with a possibly unsecured open bar. If the bar is secured, maybe. But, honestly, probably not then either. That's for your protection and the COs. If a boy somehow gets hold of a bottle and harms someone while drinking, I suspect the CO could be held responsible if they hadn't taken reasonable measures to prevent that.
I'd also find the litter pickup a little off. Again, I like to drink. If I'm hiking with my kids or friends, sure, I'm bringing a few beers. But I'm not throwing back drinks on a Scout hike! Nor am I going to drink on a public service project. Just weird.
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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:04 AM

Or...we use this as an opportunity to teach the boys about the dangers of alcohol.
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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:22 AM

Alcohol and tobacco are both legal "drugs".  One can do the 1920's prohibition, but as we all know that didn't go very far.

 

The first troop I was in was at a conservation club where alcohol was sitting unattended on the shelves.  We never had a problem.  The second troop  I was in was at a American Legion where the bar was open attended and in another room.  Never had a problem.  Now I'm in a troop CO'ed by a church.  No alcohol, no problem.

 

I guess it's been my observation over the years that if people make a big deal about it being a taboo, it will be a big deal.  I've had my talks with the boys about alcohol and tobacco and it was more of being open to discussion rather than coming down with both feet and squelching any future campfire talks about the subject. 

 

Is it going to stop the experimentation that goes along with this age?  Nope, they'll get their alcohol and tobacco from other sources.   I think the location of alcohol and tobacco isn't as important than the discussions around the subject and by making an issue taboo will not only curtail all discussions, but also increase the experimentation into what's all the fuss about.

 

To me the lessons (not rules) are more important than the location of bottles on the shelving.


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:25 AM

How many Den meetings were held at house with unsecured chemicals? Booze? Other dangerous things? Did everyone check every time?
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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:39 AM

If a boy stops by my house he will not realize there are a number of loaded guns in the house, alcohol on the shelves, beer in the refrigerator and the owners of the house will be armed.

 

When I occasionally do a MB in my kitchen, I do leave the handgun in the bedroom, but I don't child-proof the house when minors stop over.  I have 4 grandchildren that do not know the Mrs. and I are conceal carry.  If they ever ask about any of these things, we will sit down and discuss the issue in great detail.

 

My oldest daughter has recently asked me to teach her how to shoot.  She is taking Hunter's Safety at the moment.  She grew up in a gun-free home and at 36 wishes to know more about it for home safety. 


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 10:53 AM

One troop I was in had a bar, but it was secured. You needed a key to open the roll up window, and the door to get behind the counter. Another troop had a bar, but they would put up a screen to limit access.  A third I know about met in a different room than the bar.


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 10:55 AM

Well there is an upside to having such a location.  :D


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Posted 07 March 2017 - 11:18 AM

Maybe this is a weird concern, but my first thought wasn't that the kids would swipe a drink but that an adult might. I'm also thinking of this from my own perspective and imagining this scenario with scouts and scouters I know, and I can't think of any kids I'd worry about around the bar. But there are a couple of adults from the past that I'd have concerns about. One being a recovering alcoholic. 

 

Seems like an all-around bad place, though. Who needs the stress/worry about something happening, or the liability if a bottle goes missing. 


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